Every time I send anything out to any of these political emailing lists it starts a big freakin debate.  I am not concerned about anything the news is warning me about, and I dont feel the need to spend 20 writing a rebutal to your opinions about how well off our country is. I have a child, and another one coming and it is natural for a mother to want to insure her babies will eat. If you find this humurous, good for you. --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Tom W <[address removed]> wrote: From: Tom W <[address removed]> Subject: Re: [libertarian-12] Survivalists To: [address removed] Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 8:14 AM Mark, I agree completely. And honestly?  No, I'm *not* better off financially than I was 10 years ago!  I'm 37 years old, and I earned a bigger salary when I was 27 than I do now.  (Adjusted for inflation, that's REALLY bad!)  The bright side is, I was able to start my own side business as a 2nd. job, so it helps balance things back out for me.  But still, I'm doing a lot more work to get around the same rate of pay I had a decade ago for being less experienced, and when each dollar had more value than today! I know I'm not the only one in this same situation either.  I work in I.T., as do a number of my friends.  The people I keep in close touch with in my field are almost ALL working in "sub-optimal" career positions right now, simply because in this economy, there's very little opportunity to switch jobs or "job shop" for a "better offer".  The openings are few and far between, and heavily competed for when they become available. Yes, you'll find some people saying they're "doing fine" in computers and I.T.   But as a general rule, I've found those folks tend to be the lucky ones who managed to keep their job over many years (usually at a larger company), and it's been a while since they had to actually get out and look for a job.  Their length of employment, alone, has guaranteed them nice regular raises - and they haven't yet been confronted with talking to new, prospective employers, where they have to explain WHY they're worth what they were getting paid previously. I've never given much serious consideration to the "survivalist" types in the past.  I guess I've always felt that if nothing else, America is in relatively good shape when it comes to things like food.  (Well, assuming you don't live on an island like Hawaii anyway.)  The previous financial crisis situations we've seen were "small change" compared to what's going on right now though.  I don't think I'm quite ready to start stocking up non-perishable food items and drinking water just yet .... but I really would say it's at least time to start thinking about alternate investment options for one's money. I'm not sure how many more years we can go on before a big nation like China decides they will no longer accept the American dollar as valid currency.  Then what?  I think we'll be just like Mexico....  changed over to some new money, a few 0's lopped off the end, and everyone holding the old stuff has practically no value.  People owning hard goods of some sort, or maybe even invested in a stable foreign currency, will be far better off. On Oct 6, 2008, at 11:19 PM, Mark Simmons wrote: Igor,   Do you really believe that, "the world as a whole, and us as a nation, are more prosperous and peaceful than ever,"?   I agree with your languid response to Jenn, who seems to be at the other end of the spectrum, but even Rome's day in the sun had to come to an end; why are we any different?   If the answer to "Are you better off now than 10 years ago?" is yes, how much of that should be attributed to one's age relative to their degree of success, given that earning power typically rises from 26-55 before declining...?     We seem to becoming a nation of credit. We do not really produce anything like we used too; how can we sustain such a state of affairs?   -Mark   --- On Mon, 10/6/08, Igor Kozunov <[address removed]> wrote: From: Igor Kozunov <[address removed]> Subject: Re: [libertarian-12] Survivalists To: [address removed] Date: Monday, October 6, 2008, 2:07 PM Jenn: I don't mean to sound patronizing, but if I were you, I would stop watching news and cancel all newspaper subscriptions. This is not the first so-called "crisis". We get a war and a recession once about every 10 years. And every time our politicians and our pathetic excuses for journalists and public officials make careers by predicting another Armageddon. Somehow, we are still standing. Funny thing is that once you filter through the layers of liberal and conservative self-satisfaction and righteousness, you'll find out that the world as a whole, and us as a nation, are more prosperous and peaceful than ever. Balance will restore itself sooner than you know it--as it always does, and a few years from now you will watch in amusement as our "intellectual" leaders commence freaking out about upcoming global cooling, nuclear New Zealand, self-image crisis in Australian teenage kangaroos, and inevitable invasion of Canadian manbearpigs. I am serious about cancelling your cable though. Instead, go to a book store and pick up a copy of "All the Trouble in the World" by P.J.O'Rourke... or any of his other books. And, as you read it, keep in mind that it was written over a decade ago, and notice how our society was driving itself into same news-induced psychosis back then over the same "inevitable" social/financial/military/global/warming/cooling/famine/warfare/ohmygodweareallgoingtodie global developments. ...Well, we're still here somehow, and I get a feeling that you are now living in a better house, making more money, and eating better food than you were a decade ago. Am I wrong? On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Jenn Gehrlein <[address removed]> wrote: > I am convinced that something is going to happen, and soon, and Im trying to > prepare my family as best as I can. Does anyone know where I can find useful > survivalist info... like > how to keep food, ei potatoes, onions, flour, dried beans, sugar, etc > how to preserve meat/ make jerky > build a water cleaning system > and anything else that might be useful info? > > Any links or info is very much appreciated -- Please Note: If you hit "REPLY", your message will be sent to everyone on this mailing list ([address removed]) This message was sent by Tom W ([address removed]) from The St. Louis Libertarian Party Meetup Group. To learn more about Tom W, visit his/her member profile To unsubscribe or to update your mailing list settings, click here Meetup Support: [address removed] 632 Broadway, New York, NY 10012 USA

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