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RE: [LIRawVegans] Port Ambrose

From: Jane F.
Sent on: Sunday, April 12, 2015, 11:36 AM

Shelley, you are thinking into this too much.

 

I have been extremely busy and feel I need to contact Patrick offline. I’ll probably give him a call because he has a way to get information that I lack and I’d really like to tap into that to help myself to avoid having misinformation. I just have not gotten a chance to call him but it’s on my list of to-do’s.

 

Also, I do not want to put too much about the TPP on this list as respect for those people who earlier asked that the TPP discussion not take over the purpose of the list, namely the discussion of vegan foods.

 

No hard feelings of misgivings I hope. Certainly not on my part. Learning is a lifelong experience.

 

Jane  

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Shelly and Bill
Sent: Friday, April 10,[masked]:37 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [LIRawVegans] Port Ambrose

 

Bob

From what you have said about Jane and what she has expressed as to her work and passion for environmental issues I have the upmost respect and admiration for her. Your right that it takes a special selfless person to dedicate themselves to these issues for such a long time and she deserves to be commended for that.

She is probably annoyed with me because I sent an email to the group instead of privately  to clarify the issue of whether the LNG project would kill the Wind turbine project that was oringinally planned for the south shore. Patrick for Sane Energy showed proff how Jane misunderstood this issue as well. 

 

My only motive in not sending a private email was to clarify for all. I didnt want anyone thinking that we could have turbine project to lower our electric bills and still have  Port Ambrose LNG .

 

I think its a good thing when we are called out on what we think is misinformation as I learned from Jane.It can discredit our whole argument if we are speaking in a major  public forum. I don't consider emails with the raw food group a major public forum.  . I totally respect that fact that Jane has passionately worked on environmental issues and therefore is very knowlegable but  none of us are perfect. If we didn't make mistakes we wouldn't be human. It should have nothing to do with our charater or our ego and more to do with informing others. Period

 

Although I have always cared about environmental issues. I never got invovled until it was about to hit me in my own backyard which was in the last few months. I am not the most well informed person on the subject. I am still learning. I really welcome people correcting me if they think I am not accurate in my information Therefore I think anyone who has been following these emails should have learned that Jane's heart is in the right place and that she has earned the respect of those like myself who didn't know her for her work on the environment.

Truthful

Shelly

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob DiBenedetto <[address removed]>
To: lirawvegans-list <[address removed]>
Sent: Fri, Apr 10,[masked]:33 am
Subject: Re: [LIRawVegans] Port Ambrose

I’ve been loosely following this interesting thread, and want to add one thing...

 

Since Jane can’t say this herself, coming from someone doing health/environmental work for 25 years and working with a whole lot of volunteers, Jane is not just your run of the mill volunteer. She is in the elite group of long-term, committed organizers/volunteers that are there through thick and thin to take action in response to the many environmental threats/issues that present themselves. I say “elite” because most volunteers are there for the short term— really helpful for events, projects, a particular issue, etc.  But then there is that very small group made up of those who are self-motivated to keep going year after year after year-- and doing it because it’s in their DNA to speak out for the many, many people who really do care, but just aren’t quite motivated enough to do more than post on Facebook. (Damn, that was a good run on sentence.)

 

Thought that context might be helpful for future conversations...

 

Bob

 

 

 

Bob DiBenedetto

President/Executive Director, HealthyPlanet

Host, "The Healthy Planet" Radio Show

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(Our new website to be launched soon!)

 

 

 

On Apr 10, 2015, at 10:54 AM, Jane Fas < [address removed]> wrote:

 

Apology appreciated and accepted. J

 

I understand where you were coming from. As people who are passionate about our “work” to protect the environment for the sake of all living things, and having to deal with an increasing number of people for whom making money is the most important thing, we are put on the defensive a lot. It’s hard to avoid when so many people knowingly abandon logic and common sense for the sake of money making or gaining power.  

 

Thank you for acknowledging that neither of those is my purpose. I know neither is your purpose either.

 

Jane

 

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Shelly and Bill
Sent: Friday, April 10,[masked]:28 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [LIRawVegans] Port Ambrose

 

Jane

I am a teacher as well. You would never know by all the grammatical errors in my emails. Now that I know where you are coming from and the important work that you do I have the upmost respect for you. You don't just talk you do and I understand where you get your knowlege from. I am glad you corrected me because it made it clearer for all. 

Amen to what you said about the environment. I could not agree more.  I apologize for reading into your email incorrectly. Please except my apologies for assuming or being rude. I am also passionate about the environment so sometimes my emotions do the talking and I  get defensive  and totally misread where people are coming from. I have to be more cautious of that.

Please continue to correct me in the future if my information is incorrect because that is how we all learn.

Peace, and thank you.

Shelly

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jane Fas <[address removed]>
To: LIRawVegans-list <[address removed]>
Sent: Fri, Apr 10,[masked]:09 am
Subject: RE: [LIRawVegans] Port Ambrose

I do not work for the government.

I am a teacher volunteering and networking with many environmental organizations to protect the place I live and all the things that live here with me, from lower life forms such as plankton to higher life forms such as mammals. This includes my family and friends as well as whales, clams, native plants, and all things living on the earth. Human ignorance and arrogance has had devastating effects. It is a folly to believe, as many do, that we can play God and not suffer the consequences.

 

Jane  

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Shelly and Bill
Sent: Thursday, April 09,[masked]:25 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [LIRawVegans] Port Ambrose

 

Jane

I sent your email to people at Sane Energy who are very knowledgeable about the subject that you are in disagreement with me about. They have done extensive research on this project what I was told is that The conflict is that if the LNG port is approved, no company would be interested in making a financial commitment to build turbines as the demand for its energy would be greatly reduced. Therefore the turbine project would be dead in a sense..   

Technically you are right in that a permit could be issued to both but its a mute point because this project would kill the Turbine project . No investors no project.

 I know we are  both  being  honest based on our knowledge but I have to take in to consideration the source of where the information is coming from that is why I asked you who you work for.

Do you work for (MARAD), or the US Coast Guard (USCG)?

 When I was at the meeting at JFK in Jan. I asked the people working for MARAD where they stand on this issue of Port Ambrose. There reply was that their neutral. Anyone with any knowledge of their actions in way they have carried out this process knows they are for it.  Of course this is what they are told to say to keep their job. Its not personal. I am sure many people that work for them are against the project but people have to keep their jobs and I can respect that

To me there is one rule I learned to follow. That is once someone or this case a Gov't agency lies to me once, I know they are going to lie to me again.  I don't trust. My husband and I are big on honesty.

Point is if you work for one of these agencies I know the truth may be  twisted or hidden a bit to fit their agenda that is just my opinion. I know you meant well in correcting me and glad you brought it out because it clarifies the issue so Thank you for that.

All the Best

 Shelly

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jane Fas <[address removed]>
To: LIRawVegans-list <[address removed]>
Sent: Thu, Apr 9,[masked]:35 am
Subject: RE: [LIRawVegans] Port Ambrose

I asked to avoid making you look bad for disseminating misinformation.

Since you clearly would prefer that I not contact you directly allowing you to make any corrections without it reflecting badly on you, here goes….

 

The organization I am working with had been looking at this LNG project and networked with many organizations that are working on it. We submitted comments in response to the federal call for comments and spoken at two of the hearings held here on Long Island. One thing is infinitely clear. Any claims by any persons working to protect the environment that can be shown to be untrue, puts all the claims from all environmental organizations in question.

 

The one clearly untrue statement in what you stated is that the placing of an LNG port where it is planned will displace wind turbines. It will not. BOEM has already stated it can issue permits for both, and one will not exclude the other.  Since BOEM issues the permits, they are the “go to”  source for information on this, not the leaders of the Sane Energy Project.

 

Jane

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Shelly and Bill
Sent: Wednesday, April 08,[masked]:38 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [LIRawVegans] Port Ambrose

 

Jane
This is not a discreet topic. If you disagree with something I said please send it out to all or don't make the comment. I would rather have everyone weigh in. I got my information from the leaders of Sane Energy if you think I am wrong in something I said or have a suggestion as to anythng I mentioned in the email I am open to listening and correcting it or debating if need be, so should everyone else.
If you want to talk to me personally because you want to get involved than I will mail you directly
Thanks Shelly

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jane Fas <[address removed]>
To: LIRawVegans-list <[address removed]>
Sent: Wed, Apr 8,[masked]:44 am
Subject: RE: [LIRawVegans] Port Ambrose

Shelly, I would greatly appreciate making a comment about your email with you directly rather than on the list. Can you please send your email address to me at [address removed]? it concerns one of your claims below.

Thanks

 

Jane

 

From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]] On Behalf Of Shelly and Bill
Sent: Wednesday, April 08,[masked]:45 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [LIRawVegans] Port ambrose

 

Phil

I have been work with a group in Long Beach called Sane Energy who is taking actions to fight it. We have a major protest planned on April 21 starting at 5pm at the Cuomo's office in the city. The only thing that will stop it is Cuomo vetoing it. We have to come out in major force and let our voices be heard any way we can. We have gotten many politicans invovled such as Skelos, Rice  and local politicans. We have written letters to the politicans to speak up to Cuomo. The key is raising awareness which I have tried to do within the raw vegan group among other avenues. If anyone wants to help me raise awareness by doing door to door petitions or giving petitions to local businesses or helping in what ever way you can let me know I will be glad to work with you. Please let others know. Most people don't know about this project.If it goes through it will be extremely destructive to the ocean life. It will make our beach water much more acidic and undesirable to swim in. It will greatly increase our chances of flooding every time there is a storm . It will devalue our property. Worst of all it will be a threat to our safety (terroist attack). clean drinking water, and clean air. It will also lead to eventual fracking in this area. 

It will not lead to any job creation. It will stop the wind turbine clean energy that was proposed for the south shore from ever being built which would create many many jobs and be a huge step in promoting clean energy

 

We stopped Cuomo's attack on teachers and schools for now. We can stop this if we let our voice be heard. Thanks for raising awareness Phil.

Shelly

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Phil <[address removed]>
To: lirawvegans-list <[address removed]>
Sent: Wed, Apr 8,[masked]:38 am
Subject: [LIRawVegans] Port ambrose

 

Hi to any concerned about the Port Ambrose project.  I received a mailing from my assemblyman Brian Curran, very detailed, explaining all about the proposed project.  It looks really bad on paper.

 

There will be a meeting at the Oceanside Library that he will be at, for all those concerned about this project, on Monday, April 20 at 7PM.  That is at 30 Davison Ave in Oceanside.

 

I will be in Puerto Rico, so I will not be there.  I hope that we can succeed in stopping this.

 

I remember many years ago when there was a proposal to build Windpower turbines far off the coast of Jones Beach and how easy it was to stop that project.  There is a lot of momentum for maintaining the status quo.

 

Thanks,

 

Phil





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