Re: [newtech-1] When is big, too big? Will Google ever go "Umbrella Corp?"
| From: | Jim O. |
| Sent on: | Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:11 PM |
Search - nothing interesting. So they indexed huge amount of pages.
Map - nothing interesting. So they have maps of all the cities down to street level.
Combine search and map: Himm, nice. so I search for hat and it shows the nearest hat shop.
A device with Internet connection can connect to google over a browser. Search + map, becomes an integrated part of your "real" life all of a sudden.
If your device has GPS search + map + gps suddenly becomes an integral part of your life. You can practically replace your eyes with your device and google's services combined with an accurate GPS is purely magical.
Imagine you are handicapped. A PLC + a transformator and your wheelchair can go to places by itself. No artifical intelligence required. (yes, technical limitations pending)
We're still on search + map by the way.
Street view was a nice toy. Nobody actually paid attention to it, unless they got their pictures taken with their robes untied in the patio bent over picking up the newspaper. Combine map + gps + search + street view; Google now provides the best navigation experience that can be imagined.
Advertising, yes, but not just Internet and web site. Imagine Google said "pay $10 a month and I'll make your shop's building glow and blink and I'll show a rotating logo of your company on top of it on street view and every time somebody drives by I'll make google maps point your location and show your daily discounts in a balloon.
Here's one more fancy step that is unbeatable. Imagine Google, after a simple compilation provided a service that actually told you what type of businesses will work in a geographical location? This neighborhood has a huge population of individuals that constantly search for "this type of product" and added a number of purchases that went through their payment system to this. OK, they are not leader, but, just imagine the implications. (still nothing bad, nothing evil, just having a curious george time here). Who else can do this? Who else can even come close? Yahoo? Bing?
I want to continue, but the facilities and the products are never ending. Just keep in mind that "data" and "information" are not the same thing. We sort of know what type of information Google has across the board. But Google also has an indescribable amount of data at its disposal. Even they don't know how to tap into this 100% yet. With each service they add, each product they launch new types of data is accumulating. I just mumbled a few that everybody knows.
Yes Droid does, but what. Quite possibly more, much, much more than anybody has ever dreamed of.
I think you are downplaying their powers. And no, I don't think there is an anti-trust issue here, because none of these are covered by any type of anti-trust law. They are mostly in uncharted territory and they are making up as they go.
Maybe I am overplaying it. Though I am having the time of my life. As I was there when Lycoss was launched, AltaVista amazed us, Excite was exciting, Yahoo was just an index. Yahoo is what, a media conglomerate? a news corporation? You? You can define Yahoo. More and more, I am finding it very hard to define Google. And that ladies and gentlemen, is what grinds my gears.
Back to you Tom
Well, it has a huge influence in the area of online search and advertising.? That's about it.? While there are a number of other markets it would like to play in, there's lots of areas it doesn't have a "leader" impact:
- Enterprise technology
- Social networking
- Chat
- Personal Finance
- Payment Processing
I'm sure there's more if I thought about it longer.? Just because Google has a product in an area doesn't mean it's the leader (i.e. PayPal vs. Google Checkout).? That being said, I think this is more emblematic of Google having lots of money and resources and trying lots of different offerings and see what sticks.
Matt
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Subject: Re: [newtech-1] When is big, too big? Will Google ever go "Umbrella? Corp?"
Well, nobody actually said anything about targeting anyone or getting the
government involved. And the comparisons you have done are not relevant. You
are comparing "bigness" in terms of itemized and quantified non-derivative
products (a CPU is a CPU, an operating system is an operating system. they
would function by themselves, offline, happily, discreetly). Google's
bigness spawns from the information they have gathered from ordinary,
everyday, "sixpack" masses of people. Not just corporations, offices or
personal computers. They can cluster human groups, by geography, by habitual
actions, by utilization of work time - regardless of operating system,
platform. They are not bound to anything, but your online status. You have
to be connected for Google to succeed or operate. Google is practically the
closest entity to claim "governance" of Internet - I am not saying that they
are shooting for it, or even that's their intention. My standpoint is purely
curious. Just take a moment and try to imagine what type of information that
Google has on a global scale. Don't be bothered by percentage of computers
running operating systems produced by one company or number of people buying
smartphones designed, developed, controlled by a single entity, or the type
of chips in them designed and produced by one company. Google is NOT just a
search engine. And frankly, it has no real competition at the moment.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Michael Mellinger <[address removed]>wrote:
> 93% of the desktop computers run one OS, and they have for over a
> decade.? Intel also has a larger CPU market share than Google has
> search market share.
>
> Not sure why the government would target a smaller problem.? There's
> plenty of competition in Google's space(s), at least at this time.
>
> -Mike
>
>
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> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Ari Bernstein
> <[address removed]> wrote:
> > Watch out for antitrust.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 12:08 PM, I. Cem Onur <[address removed]> wrote:
> >>
> >> I was reading this blog from Google.
> >>
> >> Google Code Blog: Introducing Google Public DNS: A new DNS resolver from
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2009/12/introducing-google-public-dns-new-dns.html
> >>
> >> With this move, please correct me if I am wrong, they have pretty much
> >> covered everything that can be covered "softly" regarding the
> infrastructure
> >> of the Internet. The only thing they haven't done so far is to actually
> >> carry and route the data physically (as in operate cable, satellite)
> >>
> >> I am guessing, by this time, the hands of Google over the "Internet
> land"
> >> is pretty much as big and long reaching as the hands of the government
> in
> >> "real land" (if not more). I am really curious, when will it be "too
> big,
> >> too much, one too many?"
> >>
> >> I, personally, have no problem with Google providing online services;
> >> online products; cultivating, hiring talent and funding science projects
> to
> >> land on the moon; produce cell phone operating systems; caching,
> indexing,
> >> mapping, photographing, sensing, paying, directing, scanning, parsing,
> >> re-directing my online life. But still, one wonders...
> >>
> >>
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