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Re: Apple forbids Flash (was Re: [newtech-1] Re: iPad ready sites

From: user 9.
Sent on: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 2:09 PM
Mike M
Flash is fee based licensed proprietary s/w from Adobe on the  
developer side

It's free for the user side, by using flash players plugins etc -  
which are provided by Adobe as free downloads or bundles with s/w and  
device partners

Lee
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On Apr 17, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Michael Mellinger  
<[address removed]> wrote:

> I just asked if Flash was open source.  Wasn't looking for a long
> philosophical discussion.
>
> A simple 'no' would have sufficed.
>
> -Mike
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Ross Sclafani <[address removed] 
> > wrote:
>> not completely yet, but its moving in that direction with a highly  
>> public commitment by adobe.
>>
>> the real lesson in this is that flash and air technology are  
>> stepping away from dominating the web in favor of a more  
>> application-centric approach.
>>
>> this is why steve jobs is trying to keep flash out of the ipod  
>> sandbox.
>>
>> it has nothing to do with swf vs html5 and a lot more to do with  
>> swf vs. ipa
>>
>> swf is still the choice for faithful recreation of visual design on  
>> the Web, and until @font-face happens and cross-browser rendering  
>> differences are greatly reduced if not eliminated that will remain  
>> the case.
>>
>> as for interactivity, javascript is "good enough" with canvas and  
>> webgl to stand up to sophisticated actionscript user experiences,  
>> although from the developer's standpoint, as3 is a far more  
>> enjoyable and productive way to create reusable code and employ  
>> modern programming techniques.
>>
>> bottom line is Web development is a headache. either you're dealing  
>> with cross-browser incompatibilities, ugly code, non-extensibility,  
>> inconsistent visual experiences or youre dealing with flash, with  
>> its own set of annoyances.
>>
>> its a matter of visual control. the Web is not really meant to  
>> provide visual control, but rather access to information. this is  
>> why a visually oriented technology like flash has always been a  
>> shoehorn and met so much resistance. this is not going to change.
>>
>> web designers willing to relinquish visual specificity will be  
>> content with the standards-based offerings, and enjoy all of their  
>> benefits to searchability, accessibility, etc.
>> web designers that want the exact control that flash offers are in  
>> fact application designers looking to deploy their applications on  
>> the web.
>>
>> there is plenty of room for both, just not on the iPlatform.
>>
>> but really mike, i don't understand your passion for this argument.  
>> is somebody trying to make you use flash?
>>
>> _r
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Michael Mellinger wrote:
>>
>>> So, it is open source?
>>>
>>> https://en.wikiped...­
>>>
>>> -Mike
>
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