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Re: [newtech-1] any issues with Drupal?

From: Anthony Z.
Sent on: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 2:49 PM
Well, maybe you don't know as much about WordPress as I do, and I don't know as much about Drupal as you do.

I think they are both sufficiently scalable CMS tools that can do what you want them to do. I don't begrudge anyone for using Drupal. In fact, I'm going to be immersing myself in Drupal as well, just because it's a need to know.

As for WordPress, I've become an expert and speak at WordCamp. I run a WP multi-site installation with domain mapping and custom post types, as well as over 60 plug-ins on a MediaTemple DV using Plesk. We're not serving millions of page views per day, but I will tell you that one day we did 16K page views with over 30 journalists logging in and posting content, without as much as a whisper of an issue.

Now, I know 16,000 page views a day is nothing in the grand scheme of things. But, I'd tested everything out on our University level VPS at iBibliio, and it got bogged down because they don't have the same type of services as a professional, external hosting company.

I'm not going to sit around and have people knock WordPress when they haven't immersed themselves in the culture of WordPress (as I have) and don't have sufficient knowledge to make an educated comparison. For example, I'm sure that 80% of the Drupal crowd you ask will tell you that WordPress doesn't handle custom post types or custom taxonomies, when in fact, that is completely wrong.

And, they would tell you that WordPress doesn't scale well, because you can't cache dynamic pages and serve them as HTML, which is also completely false. There are a number of caching plug-ins available that handle these issues.

There are now 20 to 30 professional theme development houses, a few creating robust theme frameworks with their own admin panels, and a huge volume of plug-ins that accomplish many tasks without any heavy lifting.

Again, I am not knocking Drupal. What I do know is that if you're in the Drupal community, there is a distinct, yet unexplainable to the lay person difference in the user experience. Drupal feels right to certain people. WordPress feels right to other people. In my mind, it's like buying a car. Some people like BMW and some people like Mercedes. They both drive well, it's just the underlying decisions that go into building the engines from the core.

Tony

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Nick <[address removed]> wrote:
Anthony and I will have to respectfully disagree with one another. However, I will concede that I do use Wordpress for a few other projects. I love it. I am very skeptical that Wordpress would be the better option for Xomba.com or a project with a similar scope. I will say that getting development for a Wordpress website is much much cheaper than finding Drupal developers. Keep in mind that Drupal 7 is a much improved build over 6. The admin menus are very user friendly. If I didn't have a developer and was on a shoestring budget I would consider Wordpress. I highly recommend you install both and play with them. The final answer is going depend on exactly what you are trying to accomplish.

Drupal is very Jquery and Ajax friendly.

The best of luck.

Nick
Xomba.com



On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Mark Harris <[address removed]> wrote:
Wp now has customtaxonomies. Have not used drupal but with appropriate caching wp can handle a lot of traffic.

M

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From: "Allen Stern" <[address removed]>
Date: Sat, Dec 4,[masked]:13 pm
Subject: [newtech-1] any issues with Drupal?

To: <[address removed]>

I could be wrong but I believe one of the benefits of Drupal is that it can hold more content types than just tags and categories. This was an issue when I did the conversion to WP nearly 2 yrs ago.

Anthony Zeoli wrote:
> I think you're absolutely wrong. Sorry.
>
> WordPress.com is one installation of WordPress multi-site running > millions of web sites, with tens of millions of pages.
>
> WordPress can run a static page as home. WordPress has the option to > configure menus and sub menus, as well as include categories, tags, or > external links in the nav menu.
>
> WordPress can run Jquery. You can break WordPress and make it do what > you want. I did here: http://www.reesenews.org.
>
> Check the persistent nav using Jquery, the slider on every page, and > many of the other little tricks, including the fact that all content > on the home page is widgetized and can be moved and resized on the fly.
>
> Both Drupal and WordPress run on LAMP. Both allow custom post types > and custom post taxonomies. WordPress UI is more advanced, but I have > yet to look at Drupal 7.
>
> WordPress has automatic upgrades. There are very sophisticated > plug-ins for WordPress--everything from shopping to redirection, > security to domain mapping, and even plug-ins like Edit Flow, which > create a story budget for online news.
>
> Then, you have BuddyPress, which brings in the social networking > aspect, and that's fully integrated with BBPress for Forums.
>
> I could go on...
>
> In the same way Red Hat supports Linus, Automattic provides support > and VIP hosting, as well as spam, video, and backup services. Drupal > is supported by Acquia Drupal, which was founded by one of it's creators.
>
> Acquia is in Woburn, MA, while I think Automattic is in San Francisco.
>
> Both are pretty sophisticated. Whoever told you that WordPress is not > a CMS that can't handle thousands of pages is completely wrong.
>
> Tony Zeoli
>
> On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Nick <[address removed] > <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
>
> ? ? Drupal 7 is a huge leap from 6. I can't wait till we completely
> ? ? move over to it in the next couple months.
> ? ? Besides all that I am not sure if Wordpress would be a good option
> ? ? for a huge site like ours. We have hundreds of thousands of pages
> ? ? and thousands of new pieces content posted each week. I think
> ? ? Drupal is built to suit that better.
>
> ? ? Nick
> ? ? Xomba.com
>
>
>
> ? ? On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Trevor White <[address removed]
> ? ? <mailto:[address removed]>> wrote:
>
> ? ? ? ? We do a lot of development with Drupal, and almost all of my
> ? ? ? ? clients are running it right now.
>






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