Re: Shocking racist rant by NY Tech Member - Re: [newtech-1] Givin gaway my book for free
| From: | David P. |
| Sent on: | Monday, March 23, 2009, 1:46 PM |
I think that there's a much greater conversation here and that's the blurring of private and public because of the technology we have now. Years ago, this would've been pretty much between Ravi and the sender. Ravi might've told a few folks, but it would've stayed within a small circle of people at best. And even then, it might have turned into a "he said, she said" battle, since it would've been likely that the rant was delivered in person or maybe on voicemail and it wouldn't really have been possible to share it. (Except in rare cases like the "Fuck you and the Little Mermaid too" voicemail at Columbia years ago.)
But today, you can instantly share something like this with thousands of people right away. Look at what happened with @theconner and the lost gig at Cisco. They may have thought they were sending a private message to a select group of friends, but today's communication world is a lot more connected then that.
Now, what was said was pretty out there, especially given that it was a pretty simple fix. My guess is that the person who sent that note was pissed off about something else and, while reading this thread today, feels pretty stupid about what they did. That's my hope, anyway. If this is truly how they feel, then getting bounced from the presentation should be the least of their worries. If they're presenting a new company & looking for funding, you can be dammned sure an e-mail like that will come back and bite them in the ass.
And I'm not sure what to tell you to do. But, if you don't go public, you can be damned sure that the presenters who didn't send you that note will start their presentation by saying "It wasn't me!"
But today, you can instantly share something like this with thousands of people right away. Look at what happened with @theconner and the lost gig at Cisco. They may have thought they were sending a private message to a select group of friends, but today's communication world is a lot more connected then that.
Now, what was said was pretty out there, especially given that it was a pretty simple fix. My guess is that the person who sent that note was pissed off about something else and, while reading this thread today, feels pretty stupid about what they did. That's my hope, anyway. If this is truly how they feel, then getting bounced from the presentation should be the least of their worries. If they're presenting a new company & looking for funding, you can be dammned sure an e-mail like that will come back and bite them in the ass.
And I'm not sure what to tell you to do. But, if you don't go public, you can be damned sure that the presenters who didn't send you that note will start their presentation by saying "It wasn't me!"
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Subject: Re: Shocking racist rant by NY Tech Member - Re: [newtech-1] Givingaway my book for free
Author: Jonathan Vanasco <[address removed]>
Date: 23rd March[masked]:51:52 AM
If this were a public remark to the list, I'd agree that 'sanctions'
are in place.
are in place.
But i don't think its entirely fair to hold a member of a 'group'
accountable for what they do on their own time.
Is the instigator an abhorrent person? An asshole? A mindless fuck?
Shit scum and everything in between?
Shit scum and everything in between?
Absolutely.
But they made those remarks in private, not to a group. So this
should really be handled in private.
should really be handled in private.
So while I don't think that this person should be 'outed' etc on
list, I'd love to get an off-list message from Ravi naming who I
should avoid ever doing business with.
list, I'd love to get an off-list message from Ravi naming who I
should avoid ever doing business with.
On Mar 23, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Stuart Dambrot wrote:
> On a personal level, I agree - but the offender should be sanctioned
> and prevented from presenting to the group.
>
> A non-response sends the message that this kind of behavior will be
> tolerated, and it most certainly should not be.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Shocking racist rant by NY Tech Member - Re: [newtech-1]
> Giving away my book for free
> From: Lowelll <[address removed]>
> and prevented from presenting to the group.
>
> A non-response sends the message that this kind of behavior will be
> tolerated, and it most certainly should not be.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Shocking racist rant by NY Tech Member - Re: [newtech-1]
> Giving away my book for free
> From: Lowelll <[address removed]>
> Date: Mon, March 23,[masked]:20 am
> To: [address removed]
>
> Best response is none: this guy is TRYING to bait you to and you
> should pay no heed.
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Ravi Jayagopal <[address removed]
> > wrote:
> WARNING: SHOCKING LANGUAGE AHEAD
>
> To: [address removed]
>
> Best response is none: this guy is TRYING to bait you to and you
> should pay no heed.
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Ravi Jayagopal <[address removed]
> > wrote:
> WARNING: SHOCKING LANGUAGE AHEAD
>
> I didn't know I was so *awesome* at
> marketing :-)
>
> You know, over the weekend, when I said I
> would give my best-selling book on Amazon,
> for free to everyone on this list, I never imagined
> never thought my copy writing & marketing
> would bring out such strong emotions in people... :-)
>
> So, one of the NY Tech list members HERE
> marketing :-)
>
> You know, over the weekend, when I said I
> would give my best-selling book on Amazon,
> for free to everyone on this list, I never imagined
> never thought my copy writing & marketing
> would bring out such strong emotions in people... :-)
>
> So, one of the NY Tech list members HERE
> signed up for my free book, and apparently
> wanted to buy a full copy to read right away.
> And when he couldn't find a "buy" button on
> my blog, here's what he wrote:
>
> "You have no Fucking idea how to sell - you are a third world CUNT -
> when a
> prospect has already made a decision to buy you should provide the
> click
> button to buy - you have failed - because you - do not believe that
> wanted to buy a full copy to read right away.
> And when he couldn't find a "buy" button on
> my blog, here's what he wrote:
>
> "You have no Fucking idea how to sell - you are a third world CUNT -
> when a
> prospect has already made a decision to buy you should provide the
> click
> button to buy - you have failed - because you - do not believe that
> you can
> succeed - am I right cocksucker?"
>
> That is an EXACT copy-paste from his email.
>
> See how he calls me a "third world CUNT"
> looking at my picture and figuring out I'm
> from India?
>
> I later found out that this guy has also signed up to
> succeed - am I right cocksucker?"
>
> That is an EXACT copy-paste from his email.
>
> See how he calls me a "third world CUNT"
> looking at my picture and figuring out I'm
> from India?
>
> I later found out that this guy has also signed up to
> present at our next NY Tech meetup.
>
> Now here's my dilemma:
>
> I already wasted most of my Sunday (yesterday) plotting
> revenge on this guy, and how to ruin his career
> and online reputation. I wrote up an entire blog
> post for several hours with each and every email
> exchange we had.
>
>
> Now here's my dilemma:
>
> I already wasted most of my Sunday (yesterday) plotting
> revenge on this guy, and how to ruin his career
> and online reputation. I wrote up an entire blog
> post for several hours with each and every email
> exchange we had.
>
> So, on one side, I'm not sure if going ahead with
> my revenge saga is doing me any good at all. Too much
> time being spent, too much negative energy. Usual
> "law of attraction" stuff.
>
> But on the other side, jerks like this can't go on without
> facing any consequences, and go on like business
> as usual after such a racist rant.
>
> So what do I do?
> my revenge saga is doing me any good at all. Too much
> time being spent, too much negative energy. Usual
> "law of attraction" stuff.
>
> But on the other side, jerks like this can't go on without
> facing any consequences, and go on like business
> as usual after such a racist rant.
>
> So what do I do?
>
> Help me decide. Appreciate your opinion.
>
> - Ravi Jayagopal
> Here's the book that started this:
> http://NBLEB.com/blog/
>
>
> Ravi Jayagopal wrote:
> Eddie: Excellent! Thank you :-)
> Help me decide. Appreciate your opinion.
>
> - Ravi Jayagopal
> Here's the book that started this:
> http://NBLEB.com/blog/
>
>
> Ravi Jayagopal wrote:
> Eddie: Excellent! Thank you :-)
>
> Jonathan: It really free. No gimmicks.
> No spam, no junk offers, no nothing.
>
> Honest-to-goodness chapter-by-chapter
> give away - as blog posts, for free.
>
> You can get started here:
> => http://NBLEB.com/blog/
>
> Jonathan: It really free. No gimmicks.
> No spam, no junk offers, no nothing.
>
> Honest-to-goodness chapter-by-chapter
> give away - as blog posts, for free.
>
> You can get started here:
> => http://NBLEB.com/blog/
>
> - Ravi
>
> EddieN wrote:
> I'd rather get a free e-book offer in my mail than one more bot-
> powered LinkedIn invitation -- sign me up, Ravi, and thanks.
> Eddie, and if the free version is really good, I might even chip in
> and buy a printed copy from you!
>
>
>
>
> EddieN wrote:
> I'd rather get a free e-book offer in my mail than one more bot-
> powered LinkedIn invitation -- sign me up, Ravi, and thanks.
> Eddie, and if the free version is really good, I might even chip in
> and buy a printed copy from you!
>
>
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