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That good ol' Old Testament!?

  • Jan 22, 2014 · 8:00 PM

At our really cool last MeetUp, we talked about picking a story from the Old Testament to guide our talk about sharing life, discussing its questions and becoming the people we want to be.
If you know a good story, bring them on, otherwise, I’ll make sure I’ll bring a surprising story myself.


This is how we did the Socratic Method last time, I think it’s good to continue with that:

Socratic Method

• Read the text + one round of first impressions 

• Search and pick one life question that’s addressed in the text  

• Write down your experience with this question - how have you dealt with it? 

• Choose one experience to investigate closely and try to understand the situation well 

• Get to the core: each of us writes down  

• when ....... (would) happen to me  

• I (would) did/ felt/ thought/ wanted .............  

• because ..............  

• Discuss the differences and try to find something to learn


Remember:
NO evangelism, doctrines or final answers, NO rituals, devotion or spiritual commitments, NO endless theoretical philosophical conversations BUT open group discussion, inspiration and shared effort in becoming the people we want to be.

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  • Gerko T.

    Bad news!

    EenVandaag, the television program called to say that they can't use the material for the report on the Church for Atheists in London. They gave two reasons: 1. they've got too much material to show both the England and the Amsterdam version properly. 2. our own Church for Atheists is too different from the one in England, and since they don't have that much time, they're afraid that the Amsterdam thing is going to make things too confusing.

    It's really a bummer, especially considered the time, stress and hassle we've put into it. Also, it's too bad we miss out on the opportunity to have a broader platform to spread the word. But unfortunately, we can't change it.

    They are going to link to our initiative on their website, which is a good thing, but we won't be on TV ourselves.

    Bummer, again. Yet, let's try to move on, we've got a good group and thing going, and I'm pretty confident it will grow of itself!

    January 24, 2014

    • Gerko T.

      yeah you're right. We should use the publicity that it's getting. So I'll be tweeting like mad during the show and they'll link to us, and we should put it up on FB. Can you make an ad Eva?

      January 24, 2014

    • A former member
      A former member

      did they upload the video?

      January 28, 2014

  • Maria O.

    very interesting

    1 · January 28, 2014

  • Gerko T.

    Thanks a lot guys! It was a great night! I loved how we managed to talk about our values and practices, regardless of our different backgrounds and beliefs! Thanks for sharing so openly and honestly (and having patience with the group leader :-) )

    We're growing! So here's a poll on how big you think the group should be at each MeetUp.
    Please fill it out, so we can make this thing as great as possible:

    http://www.meetup.com/Amsterdam-Church-for-Atheists-agnostics-the-rest-of-us/polls/

    Lastly: This Saturday at 6.15pm, you can see the 'Amsterdam Church for Atheists (and agnostics and the rest of us)' on TV, at the Dutch news show EenVandaag. Make sure you'll tune in!

    Thanks again!

    January 23, 2014

  • Sam

    Last night was sooo good. It completely surpassed my expectations and I can't wait for the next meetup! So many different backgrounds, it was very stimulating. Thanks to everyone!

    1 · January 23, 2014

  • Adrian

    It was a great discussion and I had a great time...looking forward to the next one :)

    January 23, 2014

  • Ziad

    I have enjoyed my time; I have enjoyed the company and the talks of all of you guys. Thank you Gerko for putting this together, thanks for every one who showed up and enriched the evening in a way or another.

    January 22, 2014

  • Gerko T.

    Practical note: Enter the cafe and go up the stairs, see you there!

    January 22, 2014

  • Gerko T.

    Thrilled about tonight guys! Here's an inspiring quote concerning the dialogue tool we will use: Gregory Vlastos, a Socrates scholar and professor of philosophy at Princeton, described Socrates’ method of inquiry as "among the greatest achievements of humanity." Why? Because, he says, it makes philosophical inquiry "a common human enterprise, open to every man." Instead of requiring allegiance to a specific philosophical viewpoint or analytic technique or specialized vocabulary, the Socratic method "calls for common sense and common speech." And this, he says, "is as it should be, for how man should live is every man’s business." 

    Gregory Vlastos, Socrates, Plato and their Tradition, 1955 Princeton University Press, Princeton, p.17

    January 22, 2014

  • Gerko T.

    Now, concerning tomorrow's meeting: feel free to bring your atheists shoes!

    http://www.atheistberlin.com/atheist

    (also for ppl that aren't atheists: http://www.atheistberlin.com/atheist/?you-dont-have-to-be-atheist-to-wear-atheist )

    January 21, 2014

  • Gerko T.

    Guys, I'm thrilled for this coming Wednesday! :-) Here's a great example of someone who uses an ancient and well known old testament story, used as away to rank about relevant stuff in our own lives. 'David and Goliath' by Malcolm Gladwell. http://www.ted.com/talks/malcolm_gladwell_the_unheard_story_of_david_and_goliath.html

    January 19, 2014

  • Gerko T.

    Thanks Ziad for the suggestion. This is a great story (with many layers and interesting cultural thought), so it will be very useful for the conversation!

    If anybody else has good ideas for a story, please do suggest them here, and we'll pick and choose on the spot.

    Looking forward to Wednesday!

    January 17, 2014

  • Ziad

    2nd part of the Old testament story:

    17 But the Lord afflicted Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai, Abram’s wife. 18 So Pharaoh called Abram, and said, ‘What is this you have done to me? Why did you not tell me that she was your wife? 19 Why did you say, “She is my sister”, so that I took her for my wife? Now then, here is your wife; take her, and be gone.’ 20 And Pharaoh gave his men orders concerning him; and they set him on the way, with his wife and all that he had. 13:1 So Abram went up from Egypt, he and his wife and all that he had, and Lot with him, into the Negeb. 2 Now Abram was very rich in livestock, in silver, and in gold. Genesis from 12:10 to 13:2

    1 · January 7, 2014

  • Ziad

    Hello (un)faithful people,

    Hope you are all doing well and had a nice holidays..

    I have a suggestion of a story from the old testament:

    12:10 Now there was a famine in the land. So Abram went down to Egypt to reside there as an alien, for the famine was severe in the land. 11 When he was about to enter Egypt, he said to his wife Sarai, ‘I know well that you are a woman beautiful in appearance; 12 and when the Egyptians see you, they will say, “This is his wife”; then they will kill me, but they will let you live. 13 Say you are my sister, so that it may go well with me because of you, and that my life may be spared on your account.’ 14 When Abram entered Egypt the Egyptians saw that the woman was very beautiful. 15 When the officials of Pharaoh saw her, they praised her to Pharaoh. And the woman was taken into Pharaoh’s house. 16 And for her sake he dealt well with Abram; and he had sheep, oxen, male donkeys, male and female slaves, female donkeys, and camels.

    to be countinued

    1 · January 7, 2014

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