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The Atlanta Atheists Meetup Group Message Board › Conservative Atheists?

Conservative Atheists?

A former member
Post #: 11
At the last meetup, someone indicated it was unusual to meet an Atheist/Agnostic that was a conservative. Are any other members politically conservative like myself?

You might find http://theatheistcons...­ interesting.
Danny
dbarrs
Roswell, GA
Post #: 78
Yet another hot topic, Allen!
Well I consider myself politically "liberal" in the American sense, politically "Liberal" in the British sense and economically "liberal" in the French sense. But, because of the latter, some that I have met at the Meetups have called me conservative and even Fascist. I consider both of those epithets ridiculous and totally unfounded in this case. This is one of the reasons why we should distinguish between Atheists, Rationalists and Freethinkers. It is only since I have been going to these Meetups that I realize to what extent there are Atheists who are neither Rationalists nor Freethinkers. So whilst I do not consider myself politically conservative, I can understand that one can be so and still be rational and a freethinker. I believe that diversity is good for these Meetups - otherwise they have diminished intellectual value. We should encourage people of all races, origins, cultural backgrounds, professions AND political opinions to join us. Looking forward to meeting you, returning to the US this weekend.
Bev S.
user 39027062
Marietta, GA
Post #: 9
Fiscal conservative/social liberal - present. Since I believe in a life of simplicity/minimalism for myself and do not live by "psycho capitalism/consumerism", the politics that surround the accumulation of wealth/power/security do not take hold of my life. Humans are the only animal that has to pay to live on this planet. But remember... “The less you have and do, the more you will feel free”

“Man sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then he dies having never really lived.”
A former member
Post #: 12
I guess I think of the following tenants from the Web site I referenced:

1. Individual freedom is the necessary condition for prosperity, innovation, and adaptation, which together ensure survival.

2. A culture constituted for individual freedom is superior to all others.

3. Only the Conservative policies of the post-Enlightenment Western world are formulated to protect individual freedom.

4. Individual freedom under the rule of non-discriminatory law, a free market economy, the limiting of government power by democratic controls and constitutional checks and balances, and strong national defense are core Conservative policies.

Small government, financial conservative, anti-socialist, anti-fascist, and anti-entitlements

Is that libertarianism? I guess I just do not like labels much as they are really stereotypes.
A former member
Post #: 13
Excellent! I have to add this to my list of quotes!

“Man sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then he dies having never really lived.”
A former member
Post #: 2
I'm with Beverly - fiscally conservative/socially liberal. Truthfully, this is why I've been hesitant to attend a meeting; I think I'd find myself feeling isolated even though I'd be coming in order to feel included. I realize that's writing off a meeting before it's happened but based on past experiences, I'm wary. It's good to know I'm not alone, though.
bobbler
bobbler
Atlanta, GA
Post #: 34
You would think atheists could come to an agreement on fiscal conservatism (it always boils down to that).. Im being honest, it feels like a belief driven system, because every time we atheists discuss it, it feels like talking to a christian (because no amount of proof will make a dent in the discussion).. Its also a matter of opinion, since apparently its a matter of choosing your expert (big name people with doctorate degrees on both sides). I cant see how being fiscally conservative makes sense, and way you slice it.. Give all the money to the rich, and everything will be OK.. Well we have been doing that increasing more and more since reagan, (even democrats since then are moderate republicans.. apparently corporate money skewing the whole political system to the right of the people).. Before reagan people used to retire after 30 years.. Ive been at ATT now for 29 years, and I am at the middle of the seniority list, because the average person cant afford to retire today (whole CEO's make hundreds ofd times what they used to).. The way I see it, the game of monopoly was invented after the great depression to try and teach people that capitalism without regulation, will quickly cause the whole system to collapse (but you will have one winner).. The worst thing it seems in allowing exponentially more wealth to flow to the already wealthy, is that it gives a few the power to buy democracy out from under the voters.. Govt running things has problems, but I would certainly rather have the govt of the people, rather than people out for profit at any cost..
Danny
dbarrs
Roswell, GA
Post #: 108
Why would you think, Bobbler, that Atheists should come to an agreement on anything but Atheism? I might accept a case for saying that the majority of those that express themselves as Atheists seem to be of the opinion that ......but the idea that Atheists think alike is clearly erroneous as these posts show. Are you trying to welcome those that do not think politically like you or are you trying to dissuade them from becoming part of the Atheist community?
A former member
Post #: 12
My Asian background I am financially conservative but not in the traditional fiscal sense, it is more personal conservatism. In other aspects I seem liberal ... for instance, as a physician I see superior research not beholden to pharmaceutical drug companies sponsorship or device manufacturers being done in countries with universal national health insurance. Lifestyle of physicians, adequate renumeration and better health outcomes in countries like Australia, Taiwan, ( rest of China has no universal health care) New Zealand, Nordic countries etc

I am libertarian about a lot of issues but Medicine can never follow free market rules. Even the academic internist who does DBMEDICAL rants , a libertarian, agrees with me. When less employers like myself are purchasing group health insurance for our employees, they don't lower their prices to attract more customers, they raise them. (300% in the 12 years I have been partner) Free market works only if consumers are saavy about the products they purchase. Consumers of medical care usually aren't ( and it doesn't help that there is no price transparency) eg: some patients who purchased privatized Medicare called Advantage plans bought plans that offered "free hearing aids" and "gym memberships" but didn't realize the plan never pays for the 1st 3 days of hospitalization and no more than 3 days in rehab after a major stroke....., thus, if they got real sick, they went into debt very quickly....and, they cost us taxpayers 18% more than traditional medicare...Brilliant manuver on their part since they self selected only healthy medicare recipients when the sicker ones dropped them and returned to traditional medicare...
A former member
Post #: 15
I sort of fall into the Natural-rights libertarianism area (http://en.wikipedia.o...­)

Sort of the right to be left alone and a minimal government to protect that right. This means I don't believe I have the right to tell you what to do either, so, the "socially liberal" part. The fiscal conservative part is I earn what I want and I spend what I want and I am responsible for the result.

There are problem areas and the above to me is not an absolute, but rather a guideline. If you look at the definitions of things like liberalism, libertarianism, conservatism, you may (or not...) be surprised at the origins and definitions. Personal freedom and liberties conservative? Well, not the way many people use the term today, many would call that liberal.....
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