Interesting follow up to my Theism ----> Deism Article on Melody's Freethought Forum + Spinoza's Naturalism

From: Jeff W.
Sent on: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 9:19 AM
BTW: In case you don't know....
 
Melody Hensley (CFI-DC's Activities Chair)
 
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has a wonderful place to discuss/chat about secular issues, and to blog...
 
 
 
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One Possible Future of Religious Belief
Most Current Theists may become Deists in order to save their faith from the hands of Sycophants & Money-Makers
 
 
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Ahadave
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Deism made more sense in the days of the Enlightenment, when there were far more "gaps" to fill in human knowledge than there are today. Today, with what we know about the evolution of life and the history of the universe, the need to attribute it all to some kind of god, even a deistic god, just isn't as compelling as it was in the days of the classical deists.
 
I'm not very familiar with modern deism, but from the brief description you provide I don't find it to be very intellectually convincing.  While the deistic notion of rejecting religion by revelation is commendable, if you look at the modern deistic rhetoric carefully you'll see that it's quite similar to the language of the Intelligent Design folks.  They claim to derive a belief in god from "reason," but isn't that what the ID people claim? 
 
In truth, it is raw speculation, not reason, that leads one to the conclusion of deism.  That might be more desirable than any of the Abrahamic religions (after all, some say deism is just an on-deck circle for atheism), and that might even be the direction that society is heading, but I wouldn't say it is intellectually solid.
 
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True enough Ahadave...notice I didn't argue it was their "best" option...just one I think that most would fall into first while trying to escape the increasingly stinking terd blossum known as modern theism...
 
If I were to argue their "best" option I would of course go with Naturalism...Spinoza's Naturalism...a one time colleague of mine, Daniel Spiro has written a very heavy exhaustive book called "The Creed Room" http://www.danielspiro.com/thecreedroom.html
 
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IN that book Spiro argues that Spinoza's Naturalism is the most reasonable & logical escape from the superstition & super-ideological stance of modern theism...of course Spinoza's Naturalism is an ideology too, it just hasn't been popluar enough to reach the super-ideological level that the big 4 have (Xianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism). 
 
You can seriously use this book as a door stop.
 
Dan's a great guy, and very nice, but I totally disagree with him on god of course, and we're both very stubborn people...He's very intelligent with a Stanford undergrad, and Harvard Law Degree.
 
Here's more on Spinoza from Wikipedia...
 
 
p.s. Dan's license plate is "SPINOZA"...LOL
 

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