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Re: [atheists-501] january d3sj meeting

From: Jake F.
Sent on: Tuesday, January 5, 2010 11:13 AM
Dear Geoffrey,
This is very interesting. Throughout my debates with climate change deniers, I have gained some interesting insight, much of what they learn is delivered in the same way and by the same people who provide their weekly sermon on how great and loving God is. Ironically, they require no evidence to prove their god/s and yet in the midst of myriad evidence for climate change, they find themselves unable to 'believe'.
It would seem that the most important debate for today is not whether climate change exists or not or whether it will have any impact on humanity, but how to get the most out of regular prayer.
For those in the rational end of society, and I am inclined to include myself in said grouping, I see the most important question that needs to be asked of humanity today not as "how do we get the point across" but "how do we prepare".
Lastly, is there a quorum on what constitutes an 'enthusiastic participant'?
Warm regards,
Jake Farr-Wharton

From: geoffrey <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Sent: Tue, 5 January,[masked]:17:08 AM
Subject: [atheists-501] january d3sj meeting

Dr. Phil Machanick's December presentation (download available at conclusively demonstrated the robust evidence and science for
anthropogenic global warming. There is more evidence for anthropogenic
global warming than for tobacco causing lung cancer. Global warming deniers
tend to be of two sorts. Most are ignorant ideologues with no knowledge or
understanding of science. They are fools. Some however are deviously cunning
and use selective bias and misrepresentation to mislead the general public.
They are liars. Both sorts lack substance, are not amenable to logical
persuasion and are rightly condemned, exposed and ostracised as the morally
repugnant pariahs they are.

D3SJ* meeting 13 January 2010:

Microcredit, the alleviation of poverty and the provision of clean,
renewable energy

The miserable failure of the recent Copenhagen climate change conference
(chockfull of pious declarations but which achieved no binding agreements)
reinforces the view that we cannot depend on Big Government (as the proxy of
Big Business) to address the problems we face. The basic underlying problem
is the delusion of endless economic growth driven by endless fossil fuels,
which ignores (and externalises) adverse environmental consequences and
ignores looming energy constraints. A house of cards on the verge of
This delusion is perpetrated by ideologically driven, morally bankrupt
economists and bean counters who have no understanding of facts or evidence
and who dispute well proven science. They capitalise on the ignorance and
complacency of the general public and the venality and opportunism of
And yet, here and there we see rays of hope in unexpected corners of the
world. There are some economists who "get it" and who are important leaders
in our quest for a sustainable future. If greatness is determined by how
many poor people one has helped and given hope for the future, then the
economist Muhammad Yunus must surely rate as one of the greatest human
beings of all time. This soft spoken founder of the Grameen Bank of
Bangladesh has literally lifted millions of people out of poverty with his
microcredit initiatives. More recently he has employed engineers to deliver
modest renewable energy projects to poor villagers which have dramatically
transformed their lives for the better.
We will be show a videoclip of his energy initiatives at our January meeting
with perhaps another videoclip about the origins of microcredit, time

Date & time: Wednesday 13 January 2010
5.30pm - biscuits, coffee/tea
6.00pm - presentations & discussion
7.00pm - meeting concludes - enthusiastic participants are encouraged to
continue discussion over dinner at another venue

Venue: Sullivan Nicolaides Pathology Boardrooms, 134 Whitmore St (Swann Rd
end), Taringa. Go to reception (off upper car park) & signs will direct from
Parking is available on site (upper car park- anywhere there is a space or
lower car parks in the non reserved spaces).There's also plenty of nearby
on-street parking (with no meters/time limit) at that time of day.

Who should attend: Any intelligent person interested in the common good.

Cost: FREE!

* Doctors and Scientists for Sustainability and Social Justice:
We invite participation from all members of the public who agree with the
medical and scientific principles that we should use evidence, reason and
fairness as the primary means to address the issues facing society

please visit for more information

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