This is from Rob Curry-
This reminds me of the old saying about cutting off your nose to spite
In addition, it's very troubling for me to see the outrageous attacks
being presented by a few disgruntled individuals and some others who
are clearly operating with a combination of minimal information, raw
animosity, unsubstantiated rumors, or even outright falsehoods. Such
claims need to be subjected to critical scrutiny.
I am especially disappointed after reading Steve Schwartz's
preposterous comments. here are just four of them that I feel deserve
a second look:
ONE: Steve makes up facts and repeats lies
[EllenBeth Wachs] seems to have destroyed that good group by
(apparently) registering the AOF name and/or logo in her own name,
What is the source of this silly rumor? As chapter director for the
St. Petersburg Chapter of Atheists of Florida, I am aware that It is
in fact false.
When you present a claim, especially one that is either extraordinary
or accusatory, then you ought to be prepared to offer the evidence
upon which you base your belief. In this case, there is only Steve's
boldly stated assertion, without any visible means of support. How
TWO: Steve tries to start a damaging rumor
I wonder who has control of the [HFA] bank accounts,
That would be the HFA treasurer, Bob LaSalle. Same as before. Who else?
Really, this kind of insinuation should be beneath you, Steve. Please
do not let your personal animosities run away with and distort your
THREE: Steve demonstrates the danger of mixing hostility and confusion
I have also stopped ALL my contributions to the Atheists of Florida
and the Humanists of Florida until all this mess is cleared up. The
lawsuits have all been filed and are going through the courts.
Clarification for those who may otherwise be misled by the above
The HFA is not involved in any lawsuits. None, period.
Note: Atheists of Florida is regrettably in the midst of a crisis due
to an individual unilaterally interfering with the election of "at
large" members to its board of directors last November. Although five
active local chapters are carrying on with the prudential affairs of
that organization, this has also been obstructed by the same
individual seizing corporate funds (nearly $90,000.00) and relocating
them to a different bank. Civil action is pending. There is also a
possibility of criminal complaints being filed depending on the result
of a careful review of new evidence which has come to light.
FOUR: Steve continues with his obnoxious insinuations
And I'm concerned about the big names that EllenBeth is bringing to
the conference in her home town (Lakeland). Who pays the speakers
(like PZ Myers) - IF they get money, and how much, and where did the
money come from.
Others are quite reasonably pleased that nationally known speakers
like PZ Myers (who was the recipient of the AHA Humanist of the Year
Award in 2009) are coming to Florida in September.
While I think EllenBeth deserves credit where it is due, let's be fair
and recognize that this PZ Myers and all our guests are being brought
to Florida by the entire organization!
The line-up at this conference is not only exciting, but promises to
be entertaining and informative, inspiring and motivational. A wide
variety of speakers are expected to deal with the conference topic
(Humanism vs. Theocracy) in diverse ways that reflect the reality of
the diversity among Humanists. Together, this will highlight the unity
within that diversity of opinions, attitudes and approaches--because
we all are part of the same struggle to educate others on how Humanism
represents the values we so desperately need for a peaceful, free,
secular society that promotes the American ideal of liberty and
justice for all.
The money, as typical with such conferences, will be raised by the
conference itself. Really, what is the point of snidely insinuating
Because HFA is nationally recognized, due to the tireless, selfless
efforts of our current leadership team, we are better able to attract
such extraordinary people of this calibre.
I encourage everyone to look into the conference in greater depth and
detail. With Amendment 8 on the ballot this year, we need to be
focused on how we can work together rather than become foolishly
distracted by bitter, pointless infighting.
Some of the speakers I'm really looking forward to are:
David Niose: President of the AHA.
PZ Myers: Biologist and author of Pharyngula Blog.
Shelley Segal: Australian singer and songwriter enchanting the
secular movement with her heart-felt songs.
Teresa MacBain: a.k.a. the "Agnostic Pastor." Her coming out as an
unbeliever made headlines nationwide on CNN and NPR.
Jerry DeWitt: The first "graduate" of the Clergy Project and the
Executive Director of Recovering From Religion.
Quoting EllenBeth Wachs <[address removed]>:
I am very dismayed that blatantly false information is being
disseminated with absolutely no attempt at verification. I expect
better from people claiming to be skeptics and humanists.
Why do you find it so easy to trash people's reputations? People
throw out enough garbage something has to stick, right?
ALL THE LAWSUITS??? I have exactly one lawsuit pending right now and
that is because careless, calculating and unfeeling people felt it was
appropriate to defame me WITHOUT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE all because I
demanded they act in accordance with the AoF bylaws.
I am so sad people can do this.
Read Hancock's Petition. Read our response.
Stop jumping to conclusions with no evidence.
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