Embracing the Suck with Chris Harrison/Scala & Lift with Matt Farmer

Matt Farmer will be giving us the highlights of using Lift, a web framework for the functional programming language Scala, and Chris Harrison will be in from Augusta, encouraging us to embrace the suck and find the joy in what we do.

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  • Darrell G.

    I'll be visiting Athens from Atlanta and am looking forward to the meet up. See ya'll on Tuesday.

    August 3

    • Matt F.

      The webapp/other software thing a fair distinction and probably one that I didn't harp on enough.

      That said, from what I can tell the best indicator for what a language's market penetration will be ten years from now is how new organizations starting today regard it. It's difficult to for me to argue that Java is still a popular choice for new businesses making decisions about what technology stack they're going to use. I have never had a situation in which I've been working in Scala and thought "this would be better to do in Java" unless I'm copying and pasting some code from StackOverflow that I don't feel like converting.

      To me that's an indication that unless something remarkable happens in a future release, which I'm nut ruling out, that its future isn't bright.

      Once again, it's my opinion. Sorry if I ruffled any feathers in the way that I expressed it - as that certainly wasn't my intent - but I do stand by it. If I'm wrong, it certainly won't be the first time (or the last).

      August 6

    • Baron C.

      Hey, I've seen the phrase "object-oriented COBOL" used in a serious conversation. Some folks will bend and stretch and push anything. So you know, there's some hope. I think the general sense of what he said, which was that Java makes some things more difficult, was part of the deliberate trade-off. I remember when Java first launched and folks were so excited about the enforced lack of multiple inheritance ... Of course, that was before all the J2EE stuff happened. Just like folks with straight hair want curls and folks with curly hair bitch about how they just wish it was straight, I suspect we're just doomed to oscillate between these weird states where a language design protects us from our own stupidity which is itself cyclical.

      August 6

  • tim b.

    I hope to start a flame war about static typing! Just kidding. Great presentations.
    Java's demise is the peak oil of software. Lots of discussion, but so far the world has not come to and end and people keep on driving.

    2 · August 6

  • Matt F.

    Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for being a great audience. I got a lot of constructive feedback that I'm definitely going to take into account the next time I get the opportunity to speak about Scala and Lift. And I do appreciate everyone being tolerant of my somewhat unapologetic preaching of the static typing gospel. ;)


    August 5

    • Baron C.

      Opinion is good, informed and logically-reasoned opinion is even better! Big diff between "startup get code out the door" and "we have a business, time to make sure that shit don't break at 3am (or worse, 130pm on Tuesday)" ....

      August 5

  • James M. Johnson I.

    Excellent. Loved the Scala talk.

    2 · August 5

  • James M. Johnson I.

    That was great, and a big perpetual thanks to Jordan, Travis, Angel and Glenn for their organizing efforts.

    1 · August 5

  • Baron C.

    Quick note to organizers and presenters -- great job tonite. I really appreciated both talks. Having been thru a lot of ups and downs at Earthlink in the 90s and 00s, I can definitely testify to the value of embracing the suck... It's important to keep perspective because as in-demand as we nerds are, we often have choices about where and how to work and can sometimes choose to go somewhere else instead of learning valuable coping skills.

    Lots of great questions on scala — it was refreshing to see an alternative to the MVC approach. "Back in the day" we used to build PHP apps using templates that stood alone and used variable substitutions the same way that snippets are used in Lift -- it wasn't functional and didn't have DOM-style/CSS selector fanciness (neither existed then :-)), but we purposely avoided loops in templates and similar because we always felt there was a special place in hell for templates with code in them. Def gonna take a look at scala+lift.

    3 · August 5

  • Jonathan W.

    I'll also be on vacation and will miss. :(

    July 24

    • Baron C.

      Hope you embraced the suck that is vacation. *snicker*

      August 5

  • Sean

    Unfortunately I will be on vacation and have to miss this one.

    July 24

  • Maria F.

    Just wanted to let Travis and the rest of the Developers know that I started a FB group for the Athens MeetUps in case anyone wants to join, since it's much easier to interact with each other on FB that just doing messages on MeetUp:

    Hey you all can feel free to post any events you have on the Athens MeetUp group:

    July 21

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