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Re: [KC-Midtown-FreeThinkers] Are you really there, here, anywhere?

From: user 7.
Sent on: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:03 AM
The fact that letters are part of 'the whole' alphabet is as irrelevant to their conceptual differences as the fact that we are part of the universe is to some disproof of our identity.  Indeed, it is precisely the conceptual difference between letters, acknowledged, respected and understood which enabled Einstein to write, and you to read, that piece of garbage in the first place.  In order for you to explain to me that I do not possess identity, you would need to disagree with your explanation.

On Apr 15, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Bret Bolton <[address removed]> wrote:

Re: Are you really there, here, anywhere?
The question is not whether "you" are localized in space/time or not, the question is: who or what is asking the question to begin with?
This is an eastern, philosophical perspective which is finally beginning to be understood and explained, here in the west, through discoveries in neuroscience. The professor of psychology at Rockhurst, William Stugill, seemed to touch on this idea briefly at the Community of Reason event, "The Nature of Human Nature", yesterday (04/14/13) at UMKC. Also, apparently, Sam Harris' next book will delve into this subject matter too. Another good book, which came out a couple of years ago is "Ego: The Fall of the Twin Towers and the Rise of an Enlightened Humanity". I will leave you with a quote from Albert Einstein which, I think, encapsulates the discussion quite eloquently.
"A human being is a part of the whole, called by us, "Universe," a part
limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and
feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion
of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting
us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to
us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our
circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of
nature in its beauty. Nobody is able to achieve this completely, but the
striving for such achievement is in itself a part of the liberation and a
foundation for inner security."

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