Hacking our wetware, with Andrew Vladimirov

Hacking our wetware: smart drugs and beyond - with Andrew Vladimirov

About this talk:
What are the most promising methods to enhance human mental and intellectual abilities significantly beyond the so-called physiological norm? Which specific brain mechanisms should be targeted, and how?  Which aspects of wetware hacking are likely to grow in prominence in the not-too-distant future?

By reviewing a variety of fascinating experimental findings, this talk will explore:

  • various pharmacological methods, taking into account fundamental differences in Eastern and Western approaches to the development and use of nootropics
  • the potential of non-invasive neuro-stimulation using CES (Cranial Electrotherapy Stimulation) and TMS (Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation)
  • data suggesting the possibility to "awaken" savant-like skills in healthy humans without paying the price of autism
  • apparent means to stimulate seemingly paranormal abilities and transcendental experiences
  • potential genetic engineering perspectives, aiming towards human cognition enhancement.

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About Andrew Vladimirov:

Andrew is a neuroscience PhD who quit academia years ago to run a private company as no grants related to the topics of his main research interests were available.  He continues to experiment with nootropics, CES and TMS on himself, friends and colleagues in free time. Back in the USSR and right after its collapse he participated in design and testing of potential nootropic and ergotropic compounds under supervision of one of the creators of Picamilon. In a separate project, he also studied effects of SHF (super high frequency waves) on tissue regeneration. Inline images 2

Meeting logistics:

2pm-4pm, Saturday 3rd November

Venue: Room B04, Birkbeck College, Torrington Square WC1E 7HX, London.

Room B04 is on the basement level in the main Birkbeck College building, in Torrington Square (which is a pedestrian-only square). Torrington Square is about 10 minutes walk from either Russell Square or Goodge St tube stations.

Coffee and other light refreshments can be purchased from the Costa Coffee shop in the reception area of the building, either ahead of or after the meeting.

The event will be followed by a chance to continue the discussion in a nearby pub - The Marlborough Arms, 36 Torrington Place, London WC1E 7HJ

The meeting is free to attend - no charge.
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Optional pre-meeting rendezvous - please feel free to join a small number of regular London Futurist attendees at the Marlborough Arms any time from 12.30pm onwards, for general chat over a light lunch and/or drinks. To find us, look out for a table with a futurist book on it.

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  • Anette

    Worrying. All well to read that stuff while studying medicine, physiology or like myself pharmacy in our 20th. I can understand a student trying a nootrophic agent on the third night without sleep prior to final exams. But hey guys we are adults now. And it is meant to be about future. Not about back to LSD, nootrops, amphetamine, etc. There is not anything new in that, all well researched, all side effects are known and importantly ethical barriers are well defined. Any real professional would be stopped by these breaks from attempts to bring these subjects to none-medical audience. All it could do is to encourage the misuse. These are prescription only drugs, which mean for real – THEY HARM if used outside direct medical indication. You cannot start serious futuristic aging process until you mentally grow up.

    2 · March 1, 2013

    • Anette

      Thanks Fotis. that is exacly my point. a serious discussions require specigic approach - respect to limitations professionals have. any medic would have to give you same lecture. some groups, like animal activists would never be taken seriously because they refuse to get the basics. i looked at zero link. A scientics can see lavk of consistency in animal research and welbeing.

      March 4, 2013

    • Anette

      I can give as example a debate on legalisation of marihuana. one side is talking about personal none quantified experience. another - about tons of statistically significant data that use of marihuana has direct correlation with development of schizophrenia later in life. individual experienve is irrelevant in world of science.

      March 4, 2013

  • Dirk B.

    Actually, tDCS appears to have effects far larger and more beneficial than almost all the commonly used nootropic drugs.

    March 2, 2013

  • Michael P.

    Yissar, please read up about Modafinil side effects prior to use. Whilst the risk is statisically miniscule, some have reported severe skin reactions and obviously if you were to present any symptons, immediate medical attention and discontinuance of the nootrophic would be paramount. I've ordered from http://mymodafinil.com/ in the past (last order was September) and it arrived within 7 days, cost $87 which included shipping for 40 x 200mg tablets. This was cheaper than I was informed it would cost if I visted a private GP and paid for the 'OFF NHS' cost of presription dispensing and pharma cost. It has a noticable wakefullness prompting effect including more focus for specific tasks that I would normally find boring (e.g. background reading of academic papers prior to reading the material I want to read...) thou I didnt notice any real cognitive gains as in better factual recall. I had also taken 250mg of centrophenoxine that day thou and around 6-7grams of racetams.

    November 4, 2012

    • Michael P.

      Note that the mymodafinil site is now a .net as opposed to a .com. I have no affiliation with them but have ordered successfully in the past.

      December 26, 2012

    • Amanda

      can anybody compare their product with mod.ph?

      December 26, 2012

  • Yissar

    Hello,

    I missed the meeting due to other engagements :(

    Was there a mention of Modafinil?
    Does anybody have a first hand experience using Modafinil?
    A recommendation for reliable source?

    Thank you.

    November 4, 2012

    • Amanda

      sure, blame the keyboard and not the nootropics :P sorry, I'm just kidding! so, I've been doing lots of research, I'm a very cautious person, never tried any of these before but curious. so much conflicting info out there. I have used ritalin by proper perscription before (for tested & diagnosed ADD), however found I didn't like the side effects. it actually sounds like modafinil may be more subtle than many ADD meds. or maybe all the people saying its subtle didn't get the real deal?

      December 26, 2012

    • Matias C.

      I would say that the best solution is to see if you can get is prescribed by your doctor, as long as you have the money you could just go to a private doctor, more expensive but you know what you are getting.

      December 26, 2012

  • Mike S.

    post more links eg www.bluelight.ru/vb/ related to these topics: learn from others! (complex,hi risk,hi return topics)

    December 14, 2012

  • David W.

    Slides covering the material presented by the speaker at this event are now available on the Files page of this Meetup, http://www.meetup.com/London-Futurists/files/

    November 13, 2012

  • David

    Hello. Where can we find the video recordings of this and past meetups?
    Thanks

    November 4, 2012

    • David

      Thanks David. Very much looking forward to seeing the video(s). I was due to attend this one, but couldn't.

      November 4, 2012

    • David

      Hello David, Just to manage expectations, could you please advise when would you expect the video to be published? Also, will there be an electronic version of the presentation given made available for viewing? Thanks

      November 8, 2012

  • Mo

    While there is a huge focus on the synthesised nootropics might I direct your attention to herbal nootropics. You might wish to research lion's mane mushroom, celastrus paniculatus, rhodiola rosea.

    Celastrus is a very interesting substance to say the least and very cheap; you simply chew a teaspoon of seeds and go about your business. Rhodiola is a powerful adaptogen and renders you nearly impregnable to most stress. Lion's mane I am due to sample in the very near future; it promotes NGF in the brain and is reported to have incredible results.

    The most effective substance I have found thus far is noopept. In combination with the herbs listed above, oxiracetam, piracetam and some monoamine enzyme inhibition (very dangerous if you do not know what you are doing), one could say that I feel somewhat... limitless.

    1 · November 4, 2012

    • Mo

      Also be wary of oxalate buildup which causes kidney stones amongst other things.

      November 5, 2012

    • Ernestine

      So much very interesting information, thank you!

      November 5, 2012

  • Brian From C.

    By the seeming-record number of comments for an LF talk, evidently a very very engaging one. Much appreciation to Andrew!

    3 · November 4, 2012

    • William E.

      Hear, hear - great stuff as always.

      November 4, 2012

    • William E.

      On a separate note, thank you everyone who has shared their experiences so far, which mostly seem positive. However, I'm still trying to work out, (and using online sources too), whether the key desired effect of Piracetam (and other smart drugs) is clarity or focus? Greater perspective would be wonderful, but what could be an obsessive appetite for detail and a loudhailer for your internal monologue doesn't sound much fun. Interested bystander for now methinks...

      November 4, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Is this the website that was mentioned? Any reviews of the quality of the merchandise?

    http://nootropics.eu/Capped-Products.html

    November 3, 2012

    • Mo

      I have very good things to say about intellimeds.co.uk and SmartPowders.

      November 4, 2012

  • Michael P.

    David, on the page Andrew links to above in the capped products section. Further discussion on each ingredient can be found on the imminst forums.

    November 4, 2012

  • Michael P.

    I've been using the ultimate mix for some time now

    November 4, 2012

    • David W.

      Hi Michael - where is this "ultimate mix" described?

      November 4, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Interesting, under my point of view not very engaging. The speaker was barely heard.

    November 4, 2012

  • Fotis R.

    fantastic talk (and only half of it) I hope Andrew will come back again soon to complete it and in the meantime will have time to study the quite specialist material knowledge gathered from the first one (loads about neuroscience and brain function) overall loads of technicalities. Autism briefly mentioned above at the description and I wonder what are the emotional effects of such practices. If any of the members will be interested to continue the conversation will be great.

    2 · November 3, 2012

    • Fotis R.

      Yes, that been said there was no reference on the emotional effects. After all life is about enjoyment rather than study (unless one has limited desire for emotion and entertainment and he is keen on the mechanics of life). Andrew said tha pain is good for learning.....there is a bunch of hidden meanings in this phrase. In the nootropics case where the evaluation of emotional intelligence is standing, as oppose to the evaluation of "mechanical" performance enhancement ?

      1 · November 3, 2012

    • Yissar

      Hello,

      November 4, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    The approach is sudoscientific. Most of the presented facts are authors interpretations of different researches in the field, sometimes ripped out of context, thus not credible. Should be considered as an overview of todays technology in the field, but not as a practical advise.

    November 4, 2012

  • Mirco

    great! very informative.

    November 3, 2012

  • Matias C.

    Lots of information, and food for thought. A very enjoyable presentation.

    November 3, 2012

  • Eugene B.

    intense and good

    November 3, 2012

  • JUNIOR S.

    Andrew talk was excellent, hope to hear from him again.

    1 · November 3, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    1 · November 3, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    Quite a brain dump of info about drugs and gene therapies. Can't wait for part #2 - digital nootropics.

    November 3, 2012

  • terence f.

    deep and brilliant discourse of which I hope to hear more.

    November 3, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    I only learnt of the event now and alas, it's way too late to make it to Birkbeck. The access to slides/audio would be awesome if possible... Many thanks in advance if somebody makes them available!

    November 3, 2012

    • David W.

      Hi Renata - we are filming this event; I've got my fingers crossed that the result turns out good enough to publish!

      November 3, 2012

  • Stephen A.

    I'm sorry that I can't make this event - it would be of some interest to me. Is there the possibility of making the slides available please?

    1 · September 30, 2012

  • A former member
    A former member

    I cant make this event - will anyone be recording the audio ? :)

    September 13, 2012

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