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Liz Keogh: Lean vs. Agile: Fight! & Phil Trelford: F# eye for the C# guy

  • Jun 26, 2013 · 6:30 PM
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Liz Keogh: Lean vs Agile: Fight!
@lunivore

Liz is an experienced Lean and Agile coach, trainer, blogger and well-known international speaker. Coming from a strong technical background, her work covers a wide variety of topics, from software development and architecture to psychology and systems thinking. She is best known for her involvement in the BDD community, and was awarded the Gordon Pask award in 2010 for deepening existing ideas in the space and 'coming up with some pretty crazy ones of her own'.

Pitting one methodology against another is easy. In the fight between Scrum and Kanban, it's obvious who wins, but what happens when we start to look at the umbrella movements? What's the difference between Lean and Agile? What strengths do they share? Where are their weak points? With one in the red corner and another in the blue, this long-awaited match sees Lean and Agile facing each other in practices, philosophies and community behaviour.


Which movement will truly emerge as the champion of the world?


Phil Trelford: F# eye for the C# guy
@ptrelford

Phil Trelford is a Software Developer and Architect at Trayport, a market leading supplier of energy trading systems. He's been using .Net since v1.1 and programming in F# for over 6 years. Phil is a regular speaker, trainer, blogger, open source author and co-organizer of the London F# Meetup.

This talk is for C# programmers who are curious about F#, a mature multi-paradigm programming language in Visual Studio and Xamrin Studio.

In: unit testing, classes and functions

Out: maths, monads and moth-eaten jumpers

Expect live code samples, including interop between C# and F#.

 

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  • Chris Y.

    Great talk by Liz. I didn't expect Lean would win with a methodology that has been adapted for software development over one specifically created for it. In F# I loved the idea of using JSONesque structures to create the types used. Be good to see this in more languages. Another great talk.

    June 27, 2013

    • Liz K.

      Some of the Scrum guys reckon that Scrum is based on Lean thinking anyway... but they've changed it quite a bit over the last few years. It looks like they're taking some ideas from the Lean community. That can only be a good thing, as long as they stop bashing Kanban at the same time...

      June 28, 2013

    • Phillip T.

      Here's the home page for the JSON Provider: http://fsharp.github....­ there's also a great video on channel 9 that goes into some of the implementation details: http://channel9.msdn....­

      June 28, 2013

  • Philip S.

    Awesome. Great content from all speakers last night and sorry to @PhilTrelford for walking out at the end of your talk and not saying goodbye - I had to get home to Suffolk before the border closed!

    I was a little confused by the time of the conclusion of Liz's RAD fight: so is the concensus that Lean is a good candidate for designing processes but once established then consider handing over to Sprints for delivering commoditisable products?

    1 · June 27, 2013

    • Liz K.

      Philip, Lean (and particularly Kanban) is about meta-process, so you apply it to whatever process you currently have rather than doing a big shake-up a la Scrum. Scrum *can* be used as a meta-process but most people don't.

      If you have no process already (a new project or company) then Scrum is a pretty good place to start. You could then look to Lean to get some ideas on how to improve and potentially move beyond Scrum.

      And if you're already doing Scrum, Lean thinking will certainly help you!

      PS: RAD is an actual methodology and a peer of things like XP and Scrum. It's not one I mentioned though I probably should have.

      June 28, 2013

  • Adam

    Neat think Phil should be canned as a kind of F# Pheromone. Hes like a kid with a new toy.

    June 27, 2013

    • Paul G.

      Hopefully Phil (and Liz) will be back at the February conference.

      Having seen Phil do his talk last summer, I can assure you it's not his new toy, but he is very excited!

      1 · June 27, 2013

  • Dominik D.

    Great speech.

    June 27, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Interesting.

    June 27, 2013

  • Stewart B.

    Three really good talks, really enjoyed the f# and looking to have a go soon. The F# Presentation could have been a very dry talk ended up being amusing and insightful. Looking forward to the next time at virgin wines for more cake and wine. See you next time.

    2 · June 26, 2013

  • Stefan Y.

    Dramatic presentation that added to the points being made from somebody who knows her stuff

    June 26, 2013

  • Paul G.

    Both lived up to their considerable reputations!

    June 26, 2013

  • Simon K.

    Awesome stuff, great to see you all

    June 26, 2013

  • A former member
    A former member

    Fantastic event. Made me want to play with F#. Sorry I had to go!

    June 26, 2013

  • Mike H.

    @SyncDevelopHer hints their meet up will include Beer and Cake :-).

    June 26, 2013

  • Seb B.

    Unfortunately have to drop out due to some last moment changes, hope all goes well.

    June 26, 2013

  • Dom D.

    Just a quick reminder that doors are at 6:30 tonight and we'll start the talks at 7. Between 6:30 and 7:00 there will be some refreshments (including some bubbly) and a chance to mingle. Can I ask that if you're going to be late and arrive after 7 that you let us know, either via a comment here or twitter (@idomdavis). Security lock the doors at 7 so we will need someone downstairs to let you in. Looking forward to seeing everyone tonight!

    June 26, 2013

  • Duncan M.

    Sorry Paul, I'm in London for the next few days.

    June 25, 2013

    • Paul G.

      That's a real shame Duncan! It's never the same when some of the old guard are missing.

      June 26, 2013

  • Wayne T.

    I have been looking forward to this one for a long time, but unfortunately I can no longer make it. My colleague Adam Garner will be attending in my place so I will leave my RSVP as a 'yes' to keep the numbers in order

    June 25, 2013

    • Paul G.

      That's a real shame Wayne! Was looking forward to meeting you again, having missed you at SQL Relay. However we sill of course welcome Adam!

      June 25, 2013

  • Rupert R.

    Damn...

    June 25, 2013

  • Duncan F.

    Unfortunately, I'm not able to make it now, hope you all have a great time and look forward to meeting you all soon.

    June 24, 2013

  • Simon K.

    Happy days, going to brush up on f# before i get there :D Look forward to seeing you there

    June 24, 2013

    • Paul G.

      Yes, this is Liz's third trip to Norwich and she's always sensational.

      I've seen Phil do his F# presentation before. It's very interactive and very detailed with lots of code. Phil's style is very engaging and entertaining.

      June 24, 2013

    • Simon K.

      Excellent! :)

      June 24, 2013

  • John F.

    Sorry, cant attend. Will be in london.

    June 24, 2013

  • Lee A.

    Got some that there business in Theale. Apologies, I will read the notes made by Cat. At least my space will be taken.

    June 20, 2013

  • Stephen G.

    Dom, are the sessions going to be recorded? If so I would appreciate the link for the recordings and wouldn't mind giving up my place to a developer who actually develops in C# / F#.

    June 7, 2013

    • Paul G.

      No current plans to film, although we'll see if we can get a camera from somewhere. No need to give up your place as I am sure plenty will become available.

      June 7, 2013

  • Dom D.

    I've updated the start time to 6:30 to give people more chance to make their way to the venue and to grab a bite to eat if they need before hand.

    We'll be starting the talks at 7pm prompt, and also the entrance to the building is locked at this time. If you think you're going to be a bit late can you let us know so we can let you in.

    Hopefully there will be brownies (donations in the charity box welcome), and I'll try and organise some wine to sample.

    Unfortunately there is no parking available on site, however, there are a number of public car parks near by should you be driving.

    May 24, 2013

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