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North Texas Objectivist Society (NTOS) Message Board › Maxine Waters threatens to nationalize U.S. oil industry

Maxine Waters threatens to nationalize U.S. oil industry

Old T.
Group Organizer
Dallas, TX
One of the news reports is available on youtube here:­

I am re-reading Atlas Shrugged, and found this excerpt particularly relevant:

It is said that catastrophes are a matter of pure chance, and there were those who would have said that the passengers of the Comet were not guilty or responsible for the thing that happened to them.
The man in Bedroom F, Car No. 13, was a lawyer who had said, "Me? I'll find a way to get along under any political system."
These passengers were awake; there was not a man aboard the train who did not share one or more of their ideas. As the train went into the tunnel, the flame of Wyatt's Torch was the last thing they saw on earth.

In the full context of the description of the cause of the catastrophe, the point is, of course: no, you can't.

We hope you will visit with us in NTOS whenever it is convenient for you. We are making a small but important effort to promote reason in our lives.

One of the current political events of interest to discuss is Congresswoman Maxine Waters' recent threat to nationalize the U.S. oil industry.

Our next gathering at the Ranch is on this coming Saturday, June 7, 2008. You can RSVP here:
Old T.
Group Organizer
Dallas, TX
Post #: 828
In response to the above, Santiago asked me: "Will going to NTOS help decrease the likelihood of the nationalization of the oil industry? If so, how?"

My e-mail and post to our members was simply to point out an example of how quickly U.S. politics is now moving toward socialism, to use Ayn Rand's story of the tunnel catastrophe to point out the direct connection between irrational politics and death, and to suggest that NTOS is making a small but important effort to promote reason in our lives.

Will participation in NTOS make a difference regarding nationalizing the oil industry? Probably not. But regardless of whether it makes a difference on this particular issue, the urgency and importance of working to promote reason in our lives is underscored by the current political situation.

How would participating in NTOS promote reason in our lives? I think that by spending time with others who are at least interested in Objectivism, which is based on reality and reason, we will inspire and motivate each other to think better. Speaking only for myself, I certainly have been inspired to do so -- far more so than in comparison to the previous years when my family was not participating in anything like NTOS.

What immediate values does NTOS offer us? To the end of promoting reason in our lives, my conception for NTOS is for it to be a social platform for people interested in Objectivism. The primary value NTOS can immediately offer is the opportunity to meet a few others interested in Objectivism. For example, I have met some good people through NTOS, including Santiago. This is the immediate reward.

NTOS has few other immediate values it can offer us. Bringing in an occasional speaker is the highest of these other values. This is another immediate reward.

In addition, I think our participation in NTOS is an investment in its greater potential to be a thriving subculture for us who are interested in Objectivism, working to build the broader culture we want to have around us.

The need to promote reason in our lives is urgent, as illustrated by the threat of Maxine Waters. The importance of reason in all aspects of our lives, not just political, is demonstrated in Atlas Shrugged.

Is cost and time of participation in NTOS worth it? That is up to each of us to decide.
Dallas, TX
Post #: 78
"Will going to NTOS help decrease the likelihood of the nationalization of the oil industry? If so, how?"

NTOS can serve as a great power. All the fuel in the world can do no good without a single spark to act as a catalyst and ignite it. NTOS has been that spark for many of us. What we stand to gain from NTOS is the opportunity to meet some of the best associates and friends. Through cooperation, networking and goal directed action, achievement and victory is possible.

What can organizations like NTOS achieve? Consider the following:

"Joan Kennedy Taylor was the former publisher of one of the first Objectivist themed magazines, Persuasion, and a Rand associate for over twenty years.

During our interview, I was surprised to learn that a group of Objectivists put together a conference in Washington, DC, during the Vietnam War, in an effort to end the military draft. - DS

Kennedy Taylor: "It was very successful. We got a couple of hundred people at the conference. [One of the speakers,] Martin Anderson, decided that he would like to work on the presidential campaign and he went to see Nixon and he said, ?I'm down here speaking on the economics of the draft and I thought maybe I could persuade you to make [elimination of the draft] one of your issues.?

Nixon, who had been raised a Quaker, said yes, he'd be interested. And he hired Marty to be one of his aides. He went from being an aide in the campaign, to being an aide in the White House, to being the person who was the liaison with the commission that was supposed to decide what should be done with the Army. He got them all to decide unanimously for abolishing the draft."

I was astounded that I had never heard this story before. The elimination of the military draft was an enormously significant advance for liberty in America, and Objectivists played a key role. How relevant too, given the recent rumblings in favor of restoring the draft."


Ultimately, the question is not "what can NTOS do to fight irrationality" but what can we as individuals do? If anyone wishes to help evolve NTOS from a spark-plug into a motor, then they should do everything possible to make that happen.

- DA
Old T.
Group Organizer
Dallas, TX
Post #: 831

Thank you for your post and supportive thoughts. I was not aware of that inspiring story.

I may start a separate thread or go back to an old thread (independent of Maxine Waters's threat) regarding some of my additional thoughts regarding what NTOS offers and how our members might be able to do more with it.

-- OT
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