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Re: [9-11-279] New Event: Double Feature: The Immigration Invasion & Trespassing Allowe

From: Kevin
Sent on: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:50 PM
I'm not sure you read my post entirely.
I was not arguing that we need a wall. I said a wall would do nothing. And I agree that 9/11 was likely an inside job.

I don't agree that we can't salvage the constitution. Ron Paul is a candidate who would bring it back.

What I was arguing is that the root of this problem lies in the NAU. If we don't address that, there is no point going further with a discussion on illegal immigrants, because this explains every policy the government has in this area.

People that want no borders and people that want a wall are both wrong, because they refuse to discuss the NAU, NAFTA, and all the other so-called "free trade" agreements that are all the work of the elites to take out the USA, and are at the core of this issue.


"Mark E. Smith" <[address removed]> wrote:
Kevin, I agree that we have a globalization problem, but not that we have an immigration problem. As for Bush talking tough on terrorism, isn't that what you're doing in supporting sealing the borders? I happen to believe that 9/11 was an inside job, done by people inside this government, not by foreigners, and I don't relish the idea of walling myself inside with them so that I couldn't escape the next 9/11.

People have been coming here illegally since this country was founded. The pilgrims had no immigration visas. And if you succeed in sealing the borders, immigrants will still be able to get in more easily than you or I could get out, since many come in on work visas and simply overstay.

Foreigners simply do not have the power to do the sort of damage in this country that government insiders can do. Foreigners cannot get our air defenses to stand down. Foreigners cannot stop our intelligence agencies from investigating and arresting terrorists they've had under surveillance. It was apparently a U.S. agency with no ties to Al Queda that placed those unclaimed put options.

In case you haven't noticed, the Constitution is already shredded and the dollar belongs to China. Sealing the borders won't change that.

As for illegals getting benefits that taxpayers don't, if the U.S. doesn't manage to ban Michael Moore's new film, which is scheduled to open in June, you might learn a lot more from that than from racist anti-immigrant videos. Homeland Security's ICE raids have been terrorizing immigrants, both legal and illegal, tearing apart families, putting young children who are U.S. citizens in prisons without the right to trials, attorneys, or appeals, and anyone who doesn't recognize this as fascism in action is ignorant of history. In Germany it was the Jews who were declared illegal, forbidden to work, and put in detention camps, which quickly turned into concentration camps. Google Pastor Niehmoller, because fascists always pick on the most vulnerable, the ones most people won't identify with or try to help, but sooner or later they will get around to you.

Human rights must apply to all humans. Anywhere. This country does not respect human rights when it comes to Iraqis, Afghans, undocumented workers, those who are convicted of victimless crimes like drug use, and if you are a privileged white male, there will be many other groups who fall before they get around to you. But they WILL get around to you eventually, and it will be too late then, when you finally realize I was right.

The wall is not to keep immigrants out, Kevin. So long as the government keeps issuing work visas, no wall can do that. It is to keep you in. Mark my words.


On 5/29/07, Kevin <[address removed]> wrote:

I think both viewpoints can be correct. We do have an immigration problem, and here's the reason why: the North America Union.
9/11 Truth is just a symptom of the globalists' agenda, but it is the one members of our group feel can make the most difference if we expose it.
The North America Union is another part of their agenda on the march to a new world order. Why does Bush talk so tough on terrorism but do absolutely nothing about the mexican border?

If the War on Terror was for real, the first thing that would have happened is the borders would be sealed.

I don't think anyone here is blaming the immigrants themselves. They come here for the opportunities they can't find in their own countries.

But the fact remains, they are coming here in droves, illegally. Should we just ignore this and move on? Or should we look at the reasons why this is happening and do something about it?

You're right that a wall (which will l ikely never get built anyway) won't do anything about the problem.

But even if you believe in the MIHOP theory of 9/11, you still have to believe that our foreign policy has pissed off a lot of people in this world that would love to come to this country and do damage. So there needs to be at least a temporary protection of our borders while we clean up the mess we made in Iraq, etc, before we can have a true open borders policy.

For the long term, we need to expose and stop the NAU. The reason Bush and the elites don't care about the illegal immigration issue is that it actually helps their cause of merging us with Canda & Mexico. Wow, 20 million people here illegally, guess there's nothing we can do, what's the difference if we merge countries?

Then the constitution is officially gone, so is the dollar, and so is the USA.

When you understand the merger plans, then everything makes sense- including why we give anyone who can make it across the border all the benefits that the rest of us pay for through taxes.

Losing the country is the bigger concern than losing jobs. There are some great segments on Lou Dobbs' CNN show that have dealt with this, check out youtube to see for yourself.


"Mark E. Smith" <[address removed]> wrote:
My dear fellow San Diegans for 9/11 Truth:

Globalization involves the free movement of capital across borders, along with restrictions against the movement of labor across borders so that there can be no wage competition.

When NAFTA flooded Mexico with U.S. corn, way below production cost, it drove millions of small Mexican farmers off their land. Mexico, which used to export corn, soon found itself having to import corn, and the prices were quickly raised so that now poor Mexicans cannot afford to buy corn flour for tortillas.

It is a bit absurd to be concerned about Mexicans coming here and taking our jobs, when all the manufacturing and many high-tech jobs have been outsourced to India and China by CEOs. The guys who used to work in the Detroit auto plants or the steel industry weren't competing with undocumented workers for dishwashing and gardening jobs, and if they are now, it isn't the fault of the immigrants.

Your problem, whether you understand it or not, is with the globalist government that is going to do the same thing to you that it did to the Mexicans. When all those cheap goods from China get cut off and you find out that nothing is manufactured here any more, or when martial law is declared, you may wish to cross the border into Mexico, and the wall that you built to keep the Mexicans out, is going to keep you in.

Don't say that I didn't warn you.


On 5/29/07, Abby Martin < [address removed] > wrote:
A special announcement from Abby Martin, Organizer of The San Diego 9/11 Questions Meetup Group

Announcing a new event for The San Diego 9/11 Questions Meetup Group!

What: Double Feature: The Immigration Invasion & Trespassing Allowed

When: Thursday, May 31, 7:00 PM

Where: Click the link below to find out!

Event Description: 911 Truth meetup Member Jimmy Mac presents:

This month we are again showing a double feature of two adjunct areas the globalist's use in their drive for world government. And as you will learn they are both essential weapons with a covert agenda that are used to chauffeur and herd we unsuspecting Americans into the New World Order. So in addition to all the information you've learned regarding the truth about "911", here is presented more truth that will make you aware of the enormous scope of the conspirators plans to establish the New World Order with them running it. This is important because when you explain 911 to others don't they ask why? These documentaries expose their motive, and provides you with answers to that question.

"The Immigration Invasion" - How should America deal with the increase of Mexico-to-US border crossings resulting in millions of immigrants living here illegally? This invasion across the Mexican border is not an accident, but is a premeditated action meant to be part of a larger plan to submerge the United States into a regional bloc of nations. First Canada and Mexico, but later it will include Central and Latin America. This video contains an insightful analysis of the political realities portrayed therein. That analysis delineates the problems this threat poses to the United States, and offers realistic solutions to the problem.

"Trespassing Allowed"- Free Trade Area of the Americas' provides startling insights into the next phase of what Henry Kissinger described as "the architecture of a new international system." Advocates of NAFTA and subsequent so-called "free trade" agreements promised that they would foster economic progress, enhance domestic prosperity and raise living standards. But have they? Trespassing Allowed examines the full revolutionary
consequences for U.S. borders, jobs lost, the out-of-control immigration crisis and shows how the architects of a centralized global economy are working overtime to obliterate
the American middle class.

Come see these documentaries Thursday May 31st 7:00 PM at 6062 Wanda Court, San Diego. Directions: Take Twain Av. (east) off Mission Gorge and go one block to Wanda Court. All attendees will receive free the DVD "Overview of America". that explains in a simple fashion the different systems of government throughout the world and the different economic principles underlying each type of government.

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