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Re: [9-11-279] New Event: Double Feature: The Immigration Invasion

From: brainphreak
Sent on: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:57 PM
Another clarification, you dont need to be an american citizen to apply for an ID... you can easily have an identification and be illegal. You only need residence in most cases. Also Bank Of America as well as many other banks (home federal etc.) are more than willing to issue you an account and EVEN a credit card without a social security number (was big news in the beginning of 2007). Search "bank of america immigrants" if you need more info, plenty of articles.

to say they dont come here for jobs is pretty ignorant, they definitely come here to get away from oppression because there are jobs here and benefits. If we did not have jobs for them here, or benefits, they would certainly not risk their lives to live in America as a bum on the street... the bottom line is those people hiring them need to be put in jail before those working for them are deported. If the goal is to have less immigrants anyways...

Outsourcing is 95% done in China and India, not really Mexico as much although we do it everywhere we can. I dont think the immigrants are taking away OUR jobs, but they certainly are taking jobs here and thats why they come. I do agree also that the problem is due to policy allowing outsourcing without penalties, making competition impossible unless you follow the same strategy.  (My job was outsourced to China after 7 years)

On Wed May 30 18:17 , 'Mark E. Smith' <[address removed]> sent:

Paul, if you have BitTorrent you can download The Corporation for free here:

I think BitTorrent can also be downloaded for free if you don't have it. Just google it.

As for Dana, who doesn't live here and doesn't know us, but told us that it is possible to open a bank account in the U.S. without I.D., but only if you're an undocumented worker, I suggest he seek help for those hallucinations. If a business opened a bank account for an undocumented worker, only the business itself, not the worker, could withdraw money from that account. You cannot withdraw money from a U.S. bank account unless your name and signature are on the papers that open the account, and no bank account can be opened without valid I.D.

When somebody mails a letter in a large U.S. city, it goes to the post office where it is put on a conveyer belt. A video feed of that conveyer belt is sent to Mexico City where a worker who is paid a dollar an hour punches in the zip code to tell the conveyer how to sort the mail. The mail is still in the U.S. and never leaves the U.S., but the jobs for U.S. postal workers were outsourced to Mexico. Immigrants don't come here to take our jobs--if they want our jobs they stay home because that's where our jobs go. They only come here when free trade agreements or U.S. sponsored death squads have made it impossible for them to survive at home with their families, and then they only have access to the jobs we don't want.

The exception is for the legal workers Paul mentions, but they are not illegals and they come here with valid work permits and visas. Corporations import them for the same reason, to lower wages. But they are not invading us. There is no immigration invasion. Our government passes laws that enable corporations to outsource jobs and import legal workers who'll work for less, and companies have no choice but to do so if they want to compete. Before you decide to support a political candidate, take a close look at their voting record with regard to GATT, NAFTA, and other free trade agreements. If they voted to allow companies to outsource our jobs, it doesn't matter what they say or how nicely they smile, they do not have your best interests at heart..

I often use the analogy of a CEO who outsources 20,000 manufacturing jobs in a town where his company was the biggest employer. The citizens become outraged and march to his mansion with pitchforks in hand. He comes out and points to the undocumented worker tending his garden for minimum wage and says, "I didn't take your jobs--he did! Don't blame me, blame him!" I truly hope that when it gets around to pitchfork time, nobody is fooled.

Any tie-in between NAU and 9/11 falls flat when you talk about an "immigration invasion" and "trespassing allowed." This is racism pure and simple, not 9/11 truth, and not anti-corporatism, anti-globalization, or anti-government mobilization. Mexico and other Latin American and South American countries have suffered more from globalization and have been fighting against it for longer than we have. Anybody who falls for "blame the victim" propaganda should be ashamed of themself. The government would love for you to blame undocumented immigrants for the mess they've made of our economy, just as they'd like you to blame 19 Arabs with boxcutters for 9/11. And they've got plenty of disinformation agents on the payroll to start, infiltrate, or attempt to influence groups like this.  If you ever want to get to the truth, first you have to learn to see through the lies.

Mexicans are not to blame for the Economy, but it is very true that they can open bank accounts, get credit cards, get Identification and slip under the radar. This is done by design, you cant blame the immigrants for taking advantage of a flawed system anymore than you can blame someone for taking free candy on halloween. Its policy, its accepted and it is going to happen.

People really only like China products because thats all thats available and they are made with sweat and blood to make them super cheap. I dont think anyone generally cares where their purchases are made. Do you expect anyone to pay 5 times as much for the same item just because of a label? hehe

When I lost my job to China, I moved here to Santa Clara and nearly everything I bought would carry a China tag when I started looking. Try it... even my furniture, pens, pretty much 80-90% of everything... but thats because I think Haliburton just bought china hehe.


On 5/30/07, Paul Cofrancesco <[address removed]> wrote:
I agree Business wants cheap labor.  Don't forget that people often focus on the jobs no American wants or the jobs where there are no qualified Americans.  My wife works as an engineer for the state and two engineers have to return home because their H1B visas were not renewed.  That is a total abuse of the H1-B program which is supposed to fill critical labor shortages for skilled jobs.  Now includes run-of-mill engineers.  Computer programmers are looking for work at the same time Microsoft hires 30% of its work force from H1-B workers. H1-B quota was something like 160,000 workers /yr!  How many CEO's or top managers are imported on the H1B visa program?  zero.
I've had "the Corporation" in my online movie queue from block bbuster for a least two months and it is always checked out at my local B-buster because they just have either 1 or 2 copies.
I also was awake in history class in high school where I learned that slavery mainly benefited the south due to its labor intensive cotton and tobacco industries.  The north didn't need slaves as much as the south and put spin on the issue by pretending to take the moral high ground in the debate.
There has always been a divide between rich and poor and in globalization the rich again are asserting themselves.  Most people like the price of stuff from China as long as they feel their job is not threatened.  This self-interest approach gives globalization forces the decided upper-hand.  It is a basic divide and conquer of the masses. 
History always repeats itself.
-----Original Message-----
From: [address removed] [mailto: [address removed]] On Behalf Of Mark E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 30,[masked]:30 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [9-11-279] New Event: Double Feature: The Immigration Invasion & Trespassing Allow

Paul, let me explain to you why our government appears to be pushing immigrantion. You do know why they outsource jobs, right? For business, the bottom line is the bottom line, so lower wages mean more profits. Watch the documentary "The Corporation" if you don't understand this. Now try to understand that if lower wages are better for business, no wages at all, or slave labor, is best. That's why Henry Ford and Prescott Bush supported Hitler. That's why many Americans supported slavery. That's why Bush had Bechtel and Halliburton build detention camps all over the U.S., and that's why they are running these Gestapo raids on places where there is a lot of undocumented labor. But don't think for a minute that once they put the immigrants in camps or deport them, you can get those minimum wage backbreaking jobs in the fields or in slaughterhouses. You'd want minimum wage whereas they can use prison labor, particularly from our privatized prisons for less than they'd have to pay somebody in China or India.

And when it comes your turn to be rounded up for slave labor, don't say I didn't try to warn you. Google Pastor Niehmoller--people as ignorant and racist as you existed in Nazi Germany too.

If the White Supremacy movement succeeds in hijacking the 9/11 truth movement, you'll find out too late that you weren't fighting fascism, you were promoting it.


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