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Re: [libertarian-12] Survivalists

From: user 3.
Sent on: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 8:09 PM
All of this certainly got me thinking, too.

Among other random thoughts; How many of you have watched the TV series "Jericho" that aired on CBS for a couple seasons before getting cancelled?
I missed it while it was actually still on the air, but I happened to watch the pilot episode on streaming video, and quickly became hooked on it.  (I believe you can still watch almost all or all the episodes for free on the CBS web site.)  The only reason I bring it up is because it touches heavily on these themes we're discussing now.  Sure, it's just fiction - but the overall premise and plot is interesting (and has very libertarian themes running through it too!).  A small Kansas town becomes cut off from the rest of the country for a while, possibly in the middle of some kind of nuclear war (but no way to be sure just what's going on, without venturing outside their town and figuring things out for themselves, piecemeal).

One of their primary concerns quickly becomes gasoline, because it's not possible to operate generators for power, OR drive any vehicles without it ....    Other things reveal themselves as it progresses, including the fact that a salt mine they control turns out to be very valuable, as a good for trade with other communities.

I guess the big "realization" I took away from watching this show is, if we really DO get into some kind of crisis or disaster requiring "self sufficiency", we'll probably have to all pool our resources.  Some of the folks possessing things that don't even seem important at all may turn out to be "keys" to obtaining things the community REALLY needs.

A wise person once told me, "Being independent is a ridiculous concept ... humans are INTER-dependent!"  That, in fact, may be while I was never a big fan of the traditional "survivalist" and their lectures and reading materials.  There's a lot of emphasis on that "rugged, totally self-sufficient outdoorsman" mentality, which I think is a bit delusional.  Every one of those people I've met is wearing clothing made by others, is using a gun or a knife manufactured at a factory by others, and includes quite a few "rations" that were manufactured or produced elsewhere.   Humans are at our best and most efficient when we realize what each of us, as an individual, can "bring to the table", and we stick to doing what we specialize in or do best.  Then we, can in turn, exchange THOSE services and skills for the other things we need or want. 

None of this, of course, is to say that it would be a "bad" idea to stock up on extra food and/or water, in case of emergency.  It doesn't have to be some govt. "meltdown" ....  might just be something as simple as a big snow or ice-storm keeping you from getting to a store for a few days!

On Oct 7, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Caleb wrote:

Thats the great thing about a public forum, a posting can go in many different directions. That is the nature of a free and open discussion. The post got people thinking.  Not a bad thing at all.  Just because not every response was helpfull to one person doesn't mean it wasn't helpful to someone else. Take what you need from the posts and leave the rest. 
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Jenn Gehrlein <[address removed]> wrote:
A big thank you to everyone who has sent actual information. To everyone who has an opinion, well, we all knew it would be different from ours before you said anything.
Why does a simple question, a request for information, always turn into a big debate. If something does happen Im sure we'll all waste a bunch of time arguing about what caused it instead of working together to accomplish anything.

To Mark especially, have you ever heard "To assume only makes an ass out of you and me" ? Well, Im not preparing for a financial crisis. Thank you


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