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Re: [TheBendHikingGroup] New Leadership

From: JoAnn S.
Sent on: Monday, August 11, 2014 6:53 PM
Well said Robert.

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From: Robert Speik <[address removed]>
Date:08/11/2014 7:40 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [TheBendHikingGroup] New Leadership

Hello everyone in the Bend Hiking Meetup Group and particularly John, Ron, Jan and Alisa who are quoted below on this public email message.
I do not find that you four have hiked with this Group often over the past few months when the Group was closed to legally controlled dogs on front and backcountry trails. I assume that none of you actually participated in hiking with this Group over the previous several years when Legally permitted dogs often were accepted on hikes.
I worked for the Forest Service every summer weekend for several years, camping each weekend as a Volunteer Backcountry Ranger in the Three Sisters Wilderness, a few years ago. We had few if any management problems with dogs. No bunny rabbits or swimming ducks were killed by canines. No one was knocked to the ground by big happy dogs. In fact I never saw a bunny and ducks could clearly take care of themselves. Most local trails are soft to the paw or shoe. The only trail that caused bloody paws, was to the summit of South Sister and we turned the dog and owner back to the trail head before the sharp volcanic talus and scree began.
I have never hiked on the trail bike ways – to “fast and dangerous” for me. I know of no Leaders who would lead a Group on those special trails.
There are over 1,000 people who are identified with this Bend Meetup Hiking Group. Thanks for expressing your personal concerns, but just accept the tradition that Legally permitted dogs will be on some adventures and don’t go on that trip.
Note that the Hiking Meetup Group faded fast under the recent short management’s rules. Almost no trips were offered and almost no one signed up. Did you folks? Understand that this is back to the beginning, not a new format.
--Robert Speik
From: John Swires
Sent: Monday, August 11,[masked]:28 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [TheBendHikingGroup] New Leadership
Hiking or biking, I have had dogs off leash come up to me and cause a hazard or seriously interfere with my use of the trails.  I even had a biker, using a leash for his dog, get pulled off his bike because the dog was more interested interfering with me on a mountain hike.  Why don't you form a dog hiking group, announce where you are going to be, and the rest of use can avoid your dog walking activity that day.  Why ruin the enjoyment of the outdoors for the rest of us, because you can fail take the time to walk your dog on a leash it an area that you can do no damage.  Please avoid using our mountain trails that have wild animals and fragile plant life as your dog walk, because that is not there purpose and it is highly irresponsible to damage scenic resources for your own convenience as irresponsible dog owners.     John S

On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Ron Hoyt <[address removed]> wrote:
I agree also. In fact, I’d go further and say that dog parks are for dogs and hiking trails are for humans. More than once I’ve seen a hiking group that began allowing dogs on the hikes devolve into merely a dog-walking group. Dogs are terrible to have on the trail if some boulder-hopping is required.
From: Jan Meredith
Sent: Monday, August 11,[masked]:35 PM
To: [address removed]
Subject: Re: [SPAM:*]Re: [TheBendHikingGroup] New Leadership
I do so agree with you...AND the dogs are to be on leashes on the River walks.   When dogs run up from behind, there is great danger of knocking people off balance, as I have seen. 
I do love dogs.....but concerned with then on trails off leash.
On Aug 11, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Alisia wrote:

My name is Alisia and although I have yet to attend a hiking excursion with you all due to scheduling, I have been reading the emails that have been sent over the last few days.  I only feel the need to interject due to the last couple of experiences I have had on local trails in the last couple of weeks.  Let me say first I am a huge dog lover and a lover of large dogs.  I take into consideration that not all people share my same love of dogs or of large dogs.  I say that to share this;
I was on the river walk several times in the last few weeks and each time I witnessed a couple or family walking their dogs off leash.  The first experience was a couple with 2 very friendly dogs off leash.  Friendly with people but not so much the wildlife.  A bunny ran across the path and the lab went taking off for it and caught it.  The lady went into a tizzy screaming and covering her eyes as the rabbit was also screeching, their other dog decided he wanted to join the “fun" as other families are in view and the husband was trying to control the dogs with not much success.  Not that their isn’t plenty but Bend is 1 less cute bunny.  What an experience that was.
The following week a family was out walking their dogs off leash when ducks flew over low and off went the dogs into the water after the ducks and the same story just different animal. 
I bring it up only because those two incidences did not leave a great impression for a nice causal walking experience nor would they for the majority of most people or the wildlife.
I apologize if I have offended anyone, that was not my intent for sharing these experiences.  My intent is to make aware the other not so positive experiences that occur when we (including myself) do not take into account the TOTAL effect that we can leave on the people and wildlife around us when we THINK we have our canine companions under control or assume that instinct is completely under control and find out the hard way it’s not.  We don’t want the people on these hikes or the environment that we enjoy so much to be injured by our lack of forethought.
On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Iffer Nampahc <[address removed]> wrote:

So glad to hear the dog ban is lifted. I don't go on hikes without my dog so now I might actually join you all. Thanks!!!

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On Aug 10, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Carol O'Dell <[address removed]> wrote:

I can't wait for the first hike.  I am glad for the people that have dogs who will be able to bring them on the hikes, however, I do respectfully request everyone keep their dogs under control as I do not want to be tripping over very happy dogs who want to run back and forth on narrow trails.  I will be the first to tell people to put them on a leash if I feel it is dangerous. I will respect everyone and their right to bring a dog as long as they respect my right for a safe hike. From a former dog owner of some special dogs above to current dog owners.
Carol O'Dell

On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Barb Caruso <[address removed]> wrote:
Thanks Susan for the support. I'm with you on being responsible for our own dog's and keeping them within the regulations that are in place. I'm happy to know that you agree with me.

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From: Susan Keith <[address removed]>
To: [address removed]
Date: Sun, 10 Aug[masked]:26:27 -0400
Subject: Re: [TheBendHikingGroup] New Leadership
That is great news about lifting the ban on dogs! I do think that, as an owner, we are responsible for keeping our dog with us so that they do not interfere with other hikers.

On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Kara Fallini <[address removed]> wrote:
Herray for the dog ban lift!!!

On Sunday, August 10,[masked]:51 PM, Barb Caruso <[address removed]> wrote:

Hey All-We recently received notice that our group organizer had decided to step down. It was a very abrupt  notice. Given more time, I think someone more qualified and prepared than myself would have "stepped up" but rather than have this group possibly disappear, I have decided to take it on.
I don't anticipate making any major immediate changes except to facilitate members that desire to lead a favorite hike or event to have the necessary tools to do that. If you have something that you would like to take on, please go to the homepage and click on "SUGGEST A NEW MEETUP".  The leadership team will receive your suggestion and help you to make it a reality. If you are part of the leadership team then you know that anything that you propose will be automatically added to the calendar and posted as an event.
One final note: as a dog owner and someone that enjoys hiking with dogs, I have lifted the ban on dogs on hikes. I know that there are special considerations involved when hiking with dogs but I am leaving it up the dog's owner to be responsible for their own dog. Hike leaders will be asked to put (DOG-FRIENDLY), or (NO DOGS ON THIS HIKE), or (DOGS ALLOWED UPON APPROVAL FROM THE HIKE LEADER). in the title of the hike. It is NOT the leaders responsibility to research if the hike is dog-appropriate; if it is a leash required hike or can be off-leash. It is the dog owner's responsibility to inform themselves about the regulations that exist in the area that the hike will encompass. THERE ARE REGULATIONS THAT PERTAIN TO DOGS ON ALL TRAILS AND IN WILDERNESS AREAS. If you want to hike with your dog, get familiar with those regulations. They are there for your dog's protection, for other people and livestock that use the trails and to protect wildlife.

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