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Tucson Atheists Message Board › Violence and Religion - Unofficial Survey

Violence and Religion - Unofficial Survey

A former member
Post #: 470
Noah's Curse (The Curse of Ham) and the Defense of African-American slavery which had many violent components. Enslavement is a mentally induced and sometimes physically induced violence. http://jsr.fsu.edu/ho...­

Devadasi and the making of jogini (young girls married to a deity and brought into prostitution where personal fulfillment to a regular marriage is denied by religious law. Basically enslavement.)

Maiming as punishment

Almajiri and Talakawa in Nigeria and the sometimes violent conditions on persons it produces
http://www.nigeriansi...­
A former member
Post #: 472
Church sanctioned rape
http://www.boxturtleb...­

Burma - rampant use of sexual violence as an instrument of control, including systematic rapes and taking of sex slaves as porters for the military against Muslims.

Iran - the version of Shi'a Islam this cleric claims, that the use of rape, torture and drugs are perfectly permissible for use against enemies of that state - after ritual washing and proper prayers.
http://rightwingnews....­

China: Officially sanctioned rapes of Falun Gong practitioners
http://www.colorq.org...­
A former member
Post #: 1
Have you seen the October 7-13 Tucson Weekly? Rene Downing has a column about how the repression of sexuality by religions leads to sexual abuse. In particular, she mentions how church-run orphanages and "industrial schools" in Ireland have been ritually sexually abusing children for perhaps 60 years. You can read the full article at: http://www.tucsonweek...­
A former member
Post #: 489
Yes, Grant I saw it, in fact I had posted it here a few weeks ago with proper referencing and credit to the Tucson Weekly. . Several of my original posts have been edited and some information deleted. Interesting.....

One whole segment on extortion within the religions based around tithings that end in violence. Many examples provided have all been deleted.

Also information on the following, deleted:

Afghanistan - bacha-baaziEnsalvement of young boys into homosexual prostitution
(An hour long video can be watched on CBS regarding this topic. Interestingly enough the original link I provided no longer works.

Sati, the burning of wives when a husband dies.

Aurangzeb cherished the ambition of converting India into a land of Islam and his reign was particularly brutal. Aurangzeb banned Hindu festival of Diwali, placed a jizya (tax) on non-Muslims and killed the ninth Sikh guru Tegh Bahadur.

Goa Inquisition

Moplah Rebellion

Latin America and Africa are examples of other colonial rules where all population was forcibly converted.

Hindu are attempting to apparently, reclaim some their religious sites, (which as a faith has been incredibly non-violent in their history) by burning and destroying mosques and churches, Extremist and terrorist groups have waged a war of genocide in the name of Hinduism after forced colonial conversion to other faiths.

Mumbai, 2000 men, women and children were burned alive

My final comments on reviewing a week of violence were also removed. Basically, that I would not trust these institutions and would prefer to put my trust in individuals who are kind and show that through their actions of responsibility and caring.

Let's see if this one gets removed also.




A former member
Post #: 1
If you accept the Biblical account, the Israelites killed the Midianite men and all the citizens of Jericho at the request of You Know Who.

Historically, a sort of Taoist movement known as the Yellow Turban Revolt caused two decades of violence.

Christian gangs in Constantinople fought in the streets over the nature of the Holy Trinity (4th Cent?).

Pope "Innocent" III undertakes the forcible eradication of Catharism in 1209.

Ritual human sacrifice was the norm in Central and South America until the Conquistadors--and their imported pathogens--started wiping those religions off the map.

In a non-specific example, one of the world's most peaceful religions--Zen Buddhism--became part of the samurai ethos: bushido, the way of the warrior.

Jan Huss was burned at the stake in 1415, and Giordano Bruno in 1600.

And in 1478 . . .
Nobody Expects The Spanish Inquistion! (our chief weapon is surprise, surprise and fear . . .)

And within our own lifetimes: the mass suicide at Jonestown.

--Ben B



A former member
Post #: 491
Thanks for the list. A couple items of overlap, but those could be the items that were deleted from two or three of the threads.

I never expected a side effect to this thread, which has been learning history by way of violence. Also, what I have been noting, especially if you review the timeline at the beginning of the thread and then look at the migratory pattens of people as an overlap, you start seeing the evolution of religion. One of my items that was removed was on Vedic traditions which have a much longer history than the trinity of the Judeo-Christian faiths. Hinduism went back 3,000 years prior to Judeo-Christianity and predated Buddhism which seems to be influenced by its predecessor, although I have seen in some sources 2,000 years as the estimated predating date.

I believe that world's religions, much like the evolution of species, has evolved as a global social system with all the various factions claiming theirs is the right way. Not sure where the North and South American indigenous people's religions fit into this, but I had posted that the San Bushman of Africa were declared to be the first human beings about 60,000 years ago through DNA tracking in the world's population and analysis of their migratory patterns, the weather patterns of the time frames and many other factors. Since the Navajo have a direct DNA link to the San Bushman, I wonder if there are similarities in what they practice.? The San Bushman started with a belief in several Gods and now it is thought that they are able to embrace monotheism and polytheism together as a culture. There are tribes in the Americas that also practice the same.

See the Journey of Man:

http://en.wikipedia.o...­

http://www.youtube.co...­

There is a big gap in time between the first man and the start of the Hindu religion, the oldest known still practiced religion and what is missing a consistent link of how faith was practiced as populations evolved and migrated. Religious aspects of populations found for people between those two events are conjectured through archaeological digs, but if one were to track just the religious aspects of these various peoples, which I am sure there are people working on that, the origin of the development of religion by mankind might be found. To me it is not from a devine source but from an evolutionary need and response of populations to reduce their stress (which we all know drives down immunity) over things they do not understand.

And as we have noted, along the way, horrendous violence fighting for each beliefs for which they felt they had some sort of divine right.

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