To those in Vancouver, the following was sent to the Westside group, in case you'd like to attend the meeting this Monday in Beaverton.
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Hi to those in the Westside Science and Religion Discussion Group,
Our next meeting is 6:30 pm this Monday Dec. 13th, 2010 at Evergreen Presbyterian Church in Beaverton. All meeting details are here:"Christmas Theme: Did Jesus really have no human biological father?"http://www.meetup.com/Westside-Science-Religion-Discussion-Group/calendar/12162576/
Reminder, there is a free pizza dinner included, in order to help facilitate some relational development time between people of different belief systems.
Here's some (more) food for thought:
Probably everyone knows that Christians regard Jesus as conceived by a virgin. Our panel will have a Christian, Muslim, and Secular Humanist. I assumed that in this case it might be both the Muslim and Humanist denying the virgin conception. But in doing a little research, it looks like the Muslim would also agree that Jesus was virgin-conceived, agreeing with the Christian. Here?s a short article on it (written by a Muslim):?Do Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Jesus??http://islam.about.com/cs/jesus/f/jesus_birth.htm Interesting excerpt:
?Muslims believe that Jesus (called 'Isa in Arabic) was the son of Mary, and was conceived without the intervention of a human father. ? In the Qur'an and other Islamic sources, there is no mention of Joseph the carpenter, nor any recollection of the inn and manger legend. On the contrary, the Qur'an describes that Mary retreated from her people (outside the city), and gave birth to Jesus underneath a remote date palm tree. The tree miraculously provided nourishment for her during labor and birth. (See Chapter 19 of theQur'an for the entire story. The chapter has aptly been named "The Chapter of Mary.")
That alone I found pretty interesting. But I decided to dig a little deeper. I found an online Quran here, and looked-up the passage (these are very short passages, by the way, if you want to spend a little time looking at it yourself):http://tinyurl.com/2bxkc2s
I was really surprised about what I read. It had the newborn baby Jesus actually doing a miracle by speaking and making the claim that he is a prophet!
Now I?m really curious about reading more of the Quran to discover what other fantastic miracles are stated? this seems to out-do the miracles of the Bible, it seems to me. Here?s the excerpt from the Quran:27. ?At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! "O sister of Aaron!
28. Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!"
But she pointed to the babe.
29. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?" He said: "I am indeed a servant of God. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet
30."And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
31. "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
32. "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"
33. Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.
It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is.?
Feel free to discuss this note here:http://tinyurl.com/2exb9kj