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"Vegan Life Colorado" Denver Metro Message Board Vegan Life Discussions and Events messages › There are some great doctors out there, just keep looking :-)

There are some great doctors out there, just keep looking :-)

Ann V S.
Morrison, CO
Post #: 532
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On Dec 17, 2012 9:31 AM, "lisa" wrote:

Hi everyone,

Over the last two weeks I have had 5 meetup members write to me about a similar question, one that I think is very prevalent and important, so I thought i would share some thoughts with this community. (i've changed member names to protect their privacy)

Each one of these new vegetarians/vegans emailed to tell me that in their discussion with their health care practitioner ( ND, MD, chiropractor, acupuncturist etc.), they were told that they needed to eat animals and/or their by products to maintain optimal health. Eric was told that he could not get the proper balancing of amino acids on a vegan diet (total myth). Another was told that her "chi" was not meant to only eat plants. Kevin was told that his constitution required concentrated sourced of protein (total myth) and Judy's practitioner was emphatic that she would become anemic if she didn't include animal flesh in her daily meals. All of these members were sincerely concerned and stressed that they were not going to be able to stay on the vegan path and wanted advice and input/support- why this meetup exists.

While I don't claim to be a doctor (or even a trained health care professional- although I have studied nutrition and vegan diets for 30 years) I had the same input for all five new members: Get another health care practitioner. Please note that I don't mean that in any smug or dismissive way. And i do understand that may be easier said than done with our crazy health care system. But, just because your doctor, chiropractor, acupuncturist, chinese herbalist, energy worker etc tells you that you need to eat an animal based diet does not make it so. No health care practitioner is an "almighty knowing one" and you are not so unique (sorry, we each are special but we are all physiologically omnivorous) that your body requires some magical nutrient only derived from eating our animal friends. We can thrive on an all plant based diet. Period.

As some of you may know, MDS only receive 4 hours or less of nutritional information in their medical training. Often times that education is co opted by the meat and dairy and pharmaceutical lobby. The sicker we are the richer they get. Find someone that at the very least is not anti vegan and who you can work with and get the support you deserve in your health care journey. Come armed with information and study up on vegan nutrition so you can kindly vegucate your health care practitioner. Bring them copies of The China Study or print outs from Vegan Nutrition by Jack Norris RD or a list of links you can offer them when they make false statements about YOUR health. Don't play a passive role in your health and study up on what constitutes an optimal plant based diet.

There are many vegan practitioners in our midst- Connie Sanchez ND , John Pierre, Ryan Andrews RD, Dr. Milt Hammerly, Dr. Paul Berger (not vegan, but vegan supportive). There is nothing more important than our health. We need to stand up for ourselves (and innocent animals and the planet) when others give us information that goes against our own knowledge, and most importantly, against our values of kindness, compassion and mercy. We can thrive on a plant based diet. Period.

To our (and the animals!) health,

"One of the greatest opportunities to live our values – or betray them – lies in the food we put on our plates.” – Jonathan Safran Foer
Ann V S.
Morrison, CO
Post #: 533
From: Julie
Date: December 17, 2012, 10:42:22 AM MST
We are very lucky to have found a fantastic internist, Dr. Thomas Li, affiliated with Rose Medical Center. He is totally onboard with our diet and, actually, wishes more of his patients were like us J He did refer us to a nutritionist, who we met with and she, too, was very impressed with our bloodwork results. We’ve only had to make a few minor changes, adding some additional supplements in order to hit our target test numbers.

I’m so thrilled to have a physician who is enthusiastic about promoting a healthy vegan diet and lifestyle. I hope others will keep looking until they find the right physician. It’s just as important that we influence those in the medical field that are ignoring the benefits of a vegan diet. I have many doctor friends who have horrible diets, smoke cigars while golfing, follow the Atkins diet, etc. One is even a gastroenterologist who should definitely know better! And yet, he’s the most adamant about not giving up his fine steaks and cigars.

So, bottom line is, it’s up to us. Just like most else, it’s not easy, but so worth it when you find the right health care professional. smile

From: Douglas Margel
Date: December 18, 2012, 8:30:17 AM
Subject: Re: [VeganLifeColorado] When your Doctor (or health care practitioner) tells you that you need to eat animals for optimal health...

Lisa, thank you so much for that thoughtful response! I so appreciate what you are doing on behalf of our animal friends!!

From: monica manley
Sent on: Monday, December 17, 2012 10:53 AM
Julie, what is the name of the nutritionist?



From: Kathleen
Sent on: Monday, December 17, 2012 11:35 AM
I had the same experience with doctors when I moved to Colorado. I recommend Dr. Heather Fliege (pronounced flee ga)

"I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of the whole human being." Abraham Lincoln

From: Topher Reeve
Sent on: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:56 PM
There is a fairly definitive documentary that has aired on PBS recently called Eating. It is about the RAVE diet. RAVE stands for No Refined foods, No Animal, No Vegetable oil, and No Exceptions (or DO Exercise!).
Here is the product description on Amazon:

This award-winning DVD covers a lot of ground very comprehensively - and now has subtitles in Spanish, French, German and English (for the deaf). Among the many highlights are interviews with Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn, Dr. Neil Pinckney, Dr. Ruth Heidrich and Dr. Joseph Crowe. Dr. Crowe and Dr. Esselstyn are from the Cleveland Clinic Foundation and know something about heart disease. These interviews will convince you that cardiovascular disease, the #1 killer in America today, can be reversed by making simple changes to your diet. What you will get is a virtual one-on-one consultation with some of the world's leading authorities on heart disease reversal. You will also hear from Dr. Heidrich who treated her breast cancer by simply changing her diet. The DVD also covers a wide-range of other health problems, including the reversal of adult-onset diabetes with diet. It also covers the impact of typical Western diets on the environment. The Eating DVD is used in hospitals and wellness clinics throughout the world to motivate people to change their diets and restore their health.

I watched it in the middle of the night while suffering from a horrible flu. I was so compelled that I switched my diet to vegan (RAVE, actually) the next day and I haven't looked back. That was 3 years ago. Since then I've lost 60 pounds. My BP went from 150/100 to 110/65. My total cholesterol when from 239 to under 100. I rarely get headaches (I've had 1). I never get heartburn anymore. I feel great and I've had people comment on how healthy I look. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but this video presents irrefutable evidence that we are doing the right thing for our health and our planet. The DVD is less than $10 on Amazon. I look forward to meeting everyone.


From: Deanne
Sent on: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:49 PM

Deanne Thomsen
Hurrydate Denver Host
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Watch this video. It will change your life.
You vote with your dollar and make changes with your voice. You can support cruelty or choose to boycott it.
Thank you and God bless :)

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Denver, CO
Post #: 1
What a great topic. As a Registered Dietitian I also have had some practitioners recommend eating animal products. A plant based diet is not only adequate but healthy (you all know that though). If someone is not feeling well on a plant based diet, which may be a reason why they are going to the doctor, may be because they are not eating enough calories and/or not eating a variety of mostly whole foods. There could also be some hidden food allergies involved. Just in case anyone is interested I am offering a three part Plant Based Nutrition Workshop, called Mind, Body Food in the Wash Park area. We'll discuss how to be healthy and vibrant on a plant based diet. It is Wednesday February 13th, February 27th and March 13th, 2013 from 6pm-8pm and only $75 for all three sessions (light vegan, gluten free refreshments served). For more information contact me or check out­ Keep well. Elizabeth
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