RE: Removed from another group is not even an issue - was -RE: [actmodels] Re: You've been removed from London Fashion and Modeling Netw...

From: user 9.
Sent on: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:14 AM
Hey Ella,
I hear you loud and clear.
I think you misunderstood the underlying point of what I am trying to
make...
Profits from forums are wrong..

My comments regarding photo release was not on the side of the photogs but
for the models.
Its about giving and good networking, I have done plenty and will continue
to do the same.

I am frustrated that the meetup system isn't working for models, and photogs
alike.
I think they just needs fine tuning on procedures and protocol.

Also, on the delivery side of the images paying clients some (most) times
get priority over non paying ones.

It would be great if each forum had a private web gallery with passwords for
the models to view and download their photos.

Anyway, its a long debate and its good to get some issues floating.

I'm going to crawl back into my office now and work on my bicep curls.
(Wish I had a producer who would invite me to do still during shoots.)

ciao





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Sent: 21 October[masked]:26
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Subject: Removed from another group is not even an issue - was -RE:
[actmodels] Re: You've been removed from London Fashion and Modeling Netw...

At 17:43 21/10/2009, you wrote:

>I also hope that in light of all this talk that someone will make a 
>stand on exactly the way photographers and models exchange photographs.
>
>I don't feel comfortable in handing over 100 photos.
>
>I don't mind 5, but not 100, a model release form should be 
>completed before any photo is taken.
>
>Trust me when I say, otherwise you will get taken.

Kinda works both ways.

 From two shoot days so far, I've received photos form Daniele and a 
guy that I copied his card on the day.

I've not had ANY of the PHOTOS OF MY TWO UNDER 16 DAUGHTERS provided 
to me by ANY OF THE PHOTOGRAPHERS

All the photographers have been given my PROFESSIONAL card stating 
that I'm a professional Producer, Director and Cinematographer, with 
no less than 4 HOLLYWOOD Best Film awards.

Yes I'm making a point!

It's one of the reasons I've been less enthusiastic to excite my 
girls to come and do some modeling.  They haven't really seen ANY of 
the results of their efforts. Least of all the photos I've posed for 
that *I* really do want to make use of, which will no doubt promote 
any photographer that has taken them.

If Photographers want to work with models, then at LEAST make the 
effort to send us the photos.  I might as well just set up a remote 
on a tripod and take them at home - save me travel, save me fighting 
for space in the change rooms, save me waiting around.  At least I'd 
get the photos.

On the point of handing over 100 photos - golly you should!  You 
should be proud of the fact you can deliver to a model, regardless of 
her or his experience a quantity of interesting shots.  These shoots 
I see as a chance to work with less experienced, or experimental works.

Some models might not be able to make use of all the images, 
especially 'bad' shots - but I can use elements from a bad shot to 
make something useful so I NEVER delete anything.

Of course the model should ensure that the photog is credited and 
made aware of where their work is being used too.  That way the 
photog and put it on their CV, that helps them step into the 
professional market.

This isn't hard guys.  I've done this for years, and NEVER had a 
problem.  I've always delivered all photos to my model clients at the 
end of the session, don't care what goes out to them, they aren't 
going to put out ugly shots!

Even when I work with Publicity Photog's they ensure they give me a 
full set of everything taken, every time.  I even get sent full sets 
of material from Newspaper photog, and Paps.  It's their way of 
saying "Thanks" and then I can tell them what they can spread around.

I'm going to crawl back into my office now and work on my next 
Hollywood Best Film award winning film.  (Wish I had a photog to do 
still during shoots.)


Ella






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