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Re: [atheists-8] religion and pre-history

From: user 7.
Sent on: Saturday, October 18, 2008 1:43 PM
I like to look at everything, see what makes logical sense, think  
about how human nature figures into it all, other people's opinions,  
stories handed down that may or may not be factual... See what kind  
of Big Picture I can come up with, and then constantly adapt it.

Some of those stories in the bible seem just too simple and specific  
to be pulled out of thin air (every story starts with SOMETHING). I  
read _Chariots of the Gods_ by Erik von Daniken a long time ago, and  
the main thing I remember from it is the passage in Job (I looked it  
up in the King James version) about Jehovah coming in a silver bird  
that landed on wheels and spit fire. It all fits together handily --  
the scraggly tribe whose technology was limited to the materials  
found in their immediate environment, an ego-maniacal person from  
some other time/place who had no scruples about exploiting these  
people's fear and amazement, the relatively short time that Jehovah  
was there with them and thereafter he sent "angels" to do his  
business... Looks like the silver-bird folks had set up a whole  
enterprise there, and when they eventually got tired of the game, the  
power-mad humans took over, perpetuating the story, coming up with  
"reasons" for why Jehovah wouldn't bother to show his face any more,  

Other stories in the bible are just ridiculously fantastic in any  
sense of reality, like the plagues on the Egyptians. But those  
stories would sure serve as "proof" of God's power, to gullible  
people who bought into the whole idea put forth to them by the  
religious authorities. People have always exaggerated, over and over,  
stories that started out with some basis in fact -- or that were  
completely made-up, but still got exaggerated.

And I'm sure we all know the Christians' propensity for taking  
traditions from other religions, worming their way into the culture.


On Oct 18, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Abby wrote:

> Hi Joy,
> Just out of curiosity (and to start a thread on a fresh topic),  
> what ancient
> experience do you think led to the Jehovah character?
> I remember reading something about how ancient Egyptians never mention
> anything in their record-keeping about slaves or plagues.  But  
> there was a
> group of nomads-turned-mercer­naries called the "Habiru."  I like  
> the theory
> that this diverse group of people stood up to the Egyptian  
> theocracy, and
> the tale of their revolt grew out of proportion and became the tale  
> of the
> Hebrews leaving Egypt.
> http://en.wikiped...­
> There are also a lot of parallels between the myth of Jesus and the  
> myth of
> Horus.  Both begotten by a virgin, both the sole son of God/Osiris,  
> both
> shepherds, both persecuted, both walked on water, resisted temptation,
> restored sight to the blind, and raised a dead man from the grave.   
> Both
> crucified and resurrected.
> http://www.religi...­
> ~Abby
> From: Joy
> All atheists think that there is no "higher power". I fall under  
> this broad
> category of "atheist". If you look closer, one difference between  
> me and
> some other atheists is that I think the Jehovah character is  
> actually based
> on something those ancient, primitive humans experienced. Some other
> atheists instantly dismiss any possibility of that. But we all are  
> in that
> generalized group that doesn't believe in any gods, and just  
> because of
> that, there are a lot of ideas and attitudes we all share, and some  
> of them
> are probably much more far-reaching than we realize.
> Joy
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