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Re: [humanism-174] The Koran

From: Mark T.
Sent on: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 11:08 PM
I stumbled upon something earlier tonight that may shed some light on this subject- it's a blog by an 18 year-old Iraqi Atheist.
Be sure to check out his older posts, too... fascinating stuff!

On Dec 4,[masked]:03 PM, john f kaiser <[address removed]> wrote:
I have been reading the Koran this week to do a little
research (I have read it before but I wanted to give
you folks a little insight). Now I don't know if I
have the best translation (Which version is the best?)
First off the Koran is not organized into a time
oriented structure like the bible. The first chapter
(Sura 1 / Kaf) is only 6 lines long and basicly says
the big guy in the sky is the greatest thing since
sliced bread and he is really nice as long as you
don't get on his bad side. The second chapter (Sura 2
/ The Cow)doesn't take long to remind us to beleive or
else.  "As to the infidels, alike is it to them
whether Thou warn them or warn them not-they will not
believe: Their hearts and their ears hath God sealed
up; and over their eyes is a covering. For them, a
severe chastisement!" This line sums up the general
tone when talking about infidels - unbelievers. Note
for the infidels there is going to be a SEVERE
CHASTISEMENT. Sounds like corporal punishment. It
takes them 12 lines into their holy book to reach
corporal punishment. Also note that god is responsible
for the infidels lack of belief. So early in there
book god admitts he or she plays favorites. The key
problem with their logic is god decides who believes
and who doesn't so why get upset with god's choice. No
reason to kill someone just because the big guy made a
choice. Later on it goes on to say that "God shall
mock at them, and keep them long in their rebellion,
wandering in perplexity." So god is into grade school
behavor- mocking people. Also note again that god is
responsible for the infidels. This is so bronze age
mentality - god creates a creature to worship him and
he gets angry when the creature doesn't worship him
but he is responsible for the lack of worship. Sound
like god needs to see a shrink. This second chapter
goes on to tell them to believe or "fear the Fire".
god seems to need people to believe in him or maybe if
people stop believing he stops existing - Poof. The
Koran incorporates a few bits and pieces of the old
and new testiment of the bible. It seems to be trying
to make the point that islam is some how related to
jewdism and chrisianity. The book repeats itself a lot
and a few places it is almost word for word. There
seems to be a consern also about paying the "legal
alms" but it never really says what the "legal alms"
is. Ther are plenty of places in the book that tell
the faithful to "slay the guilty among you" and then
they end the verse with god is "Merciful". If he is so
merciful why does he tell the evildoers that "they
shall be inmates of the Fire, therein to abide for
ever"? Verse 100 is my favorite (though this
translation doesn't do it justice) "Whatever verse We
cancel, or cause thee to forget, We bring a better or
its like. Knowest thou not that God hath power over
all things?" Basicly if any verse of the Koran is
changed or lost it's gods doing. This is a clever
catch all. One of the best of all times. Sura 2 goes
on and on about how the unbelievers are so much burnt
toast and some of the rules of islam (like seeing the
holy sites sometime in your life - great marketing
scam - force people to take a vacation).

In Sura 3 (The Family of Imran) it starts of saying it
confirms the bible - How, it never really says. But if
you don't believe "a severe chastisement! And God is
mighty, the Avenger!" I thought that show went to
re-runs a long time ago. Now line 13 I think is the
often mistranslated verse about the virgins in heaven
- my copy only talks about "wives of stainless

The most funniest line I think is #31 when Mary's
mother shows god her new born baby girl she says ""O
my Lord! Verily I have brought forth a female," - God
knew what she had brought forth; a male is not as a
female - "and I have named her Mary, and I take refuge
with Thee for her and for her offspring, from Satan
the Stoned."" Now I knew satan was a partier but I
never knew he inhailed. But more important why would
anyone write such an dumb sentence and claim it is
inspired by god (of course the creator of the universe
is well aware of the concept of gender)? Unless It is
a joke.  I think the whole book is a joke.  But the
joke isn't funny anymore - people are dead because of
this joke.
As I read more I will keep you up to date.
Take care friends - Inmates of the Fire.

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