So you are using religion as,
any system of belief's, practices,
ethical values, etc., resembling,
suggestive of, or likened to such a
system. In that humanism, science,
politics and anything else can be a
On[masked]:52, Chris K wrote:
No, the state was the religion.
Whatever Hitler's true beliefs were (and what do we
really know of anyone's?) we can refer to a hundred
instances in which he portrays himself as a Christian and
none in which he portrays himself as an atheist.
I have never said the president wasn't as religious as he
makes himself out to be although many have asserted it.
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On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:43 PM, "Mark R. Orel" <[address removed]>
Are you saying that atheism is a religion?
Or they turned atheism into a religion?
Or this is what happens when an atheist
obtains absolute power?
As far as Hitler's religious beliefs go that is
up for debate. I think the following passage
from "Mein Kampf" gives a good insight to
his real beliefs, absolute power.
“I soon realized that the correct use of propaganda
is a true art
which has remained practically unknown to the
bourgeois parties. Only
the Christian- Social movement, especially in
Lueger’s time achieved
a certain virtuosity on this instrument, to
which it owed many of its
success.” Adolf Hitler, "Mein
I would also ask how many times has someone in
discussion said that President Obama isn't as
religious as he says he is?
Chris K wrote:
Yep. Here's a
really nice list from Douglas Theobald via PZ
What always gets me is that people seem to think
that the Stalinist Russia and Maoist China had
no religion. That couldn't be further from the
truth. The state WAS the religion, complete
with unquestionable dogma, ritual, and all the
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at
7:08 PM, Mark Tiborsky <[address removed]>
It looks like the original piece
was published not in a newspaper but
on a right-wing Spanish website back
in 2004, using the pseudonym-
And if the Hitler-as-Christian
thing becomes a bone of contention,
there is this... haven't
cross-referenced it yet, but Austin
Cline isn't known to publish B.S.: