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Re: Re: [humanism-174] xmas bullcrap prayer titled: Twas' 11 days before Christmas

From: Glen
Sent on: Saturday, December 22, 2012 11:04 AM
The line "...I'll take care of mom and dad" seems pretty strange considering that this same god just let the person hearing this and 25 of her friends and teachers get brutally gunned down.  So much for taking care of loved ones. My heart is broken over this tragedy, but among the  responses religious people make after these kinds of things, which I find disturbing or at least perplexing, is that God was "watching over" this or that survivor. The implied (tho perhaps not thought out) implication is that god wasn't watching over all the others--even innocent children.   
  Other common and equally perplexing (to me at least) response is that God does not prevent such events because in his love he gives everyone "free will" and that it will all be made OK in heaven. Ironically, the whole concept of heaven seems to contradict the free will argument.  Think about it. "Is there free will in heaven?  If there is, and yet somehow it is a blissful place (because everyone gets a puruer heart or whatever), then he could make it so on earth. If there is not free will in heaven, but people are still somehow happy there, then again, God could make it so here too.  Either way, heaven falsifies the free will argument for  earthly pain and suffering.  Another problem with it is the assumption that God has to give us total free will or none at all. Would those making this claim argue that a loving parent must give children no freedom or choices at all, or else let them do anything they want - even hurt others and run into a busy street?
 Of course not. The free will argument also neglects all the pain and suffering not due to human choices, such as natural disasters, illness, and disease.
   And yet, when something this horrific happens, if people find their faith or religious beliefs help them cope or find comfort in some way, I'm reluctant to argue against them (at least in the midst of their pain).  I've brought these points on the assumption that everyone on this list is a skeptic or non-believer. 

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