Re: [kenwilber-275]

From: Jeff R.
Sent on: Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:18 PM
Very interesting discussion from a UR quadrant perspective, but at the least this clip is entirely mono logical and reductionist.  Is the self simply body awareness?  He seems to be implying as much, especially with the repeated use of the term phenomenological.
Having said that, the window pane analogy points to the experience in deep meditation when, not looking at birds flying by outside but at our thoughts flying through our minds, one can experience the ground out of which they arise - known in Tibetan Buddhism as "Sky Mind".  To Tibetan deep meditators, this "Sky Mind" is quite experiencable, not invisible like a window pane, and is a UL quadrant experience.
Also, postmodern philosopher's take on the Myth of the Given is that there is also a LL quadrant window pane, namely the cultural, social and linquistic structures that are necessary (but I would say insufficient) to our sense of self and even to our phenomenological experiences.  Which is why our dog rises in an orange window pain, or a red window pain, or a green window pain, depending on the developmental worldspace that its frisbee throwing human occupies.
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Doug <[address removed]> wrote:
An 18 minute TEDx Talk from Thomas Merzinger nicely complementing Wednesday's Myth of the Given discussion.
Brain, bodily awareness, and the emergence of a conscious self: these entities and their relations are explored by Germanphilosopher and cognitive scientist Metzinger. Extensively working with neuroscientists he has come to the conclusion that, in fact, there is no such thing as a "self" -- that a "self" is simply the content of a model created by our brain - part of a virtual reality we create for ourselves.

But if the self is not "real," he asks, why and how did it evolve? How does the brain construct the self? In a series of fascinating virtual reality experiments, Metzinger and his colleagues have attempted to create so-called "out-of-body experiences" in the lab, in order to explore these questions. As a philosopher, he offers a discussion of many of the latest results in robotics, neuroscience, dream and meditation research, and argues that the brain is much more powerful than we have ever imagined. He shows us, for example, that we now have the first machines that have developed an inner image of their own body -- and actually use this model to create intelligent behavior. In addition, studies exploring the connections between phantom limbs and the brain have shown us that even people born without arms or legs sometimes experience a sensation that they do in fact have limbs that are not there. Experiments like the "rubber-hand illusion" demonstrate how we can experience a fake hand as part of our self and even feel a sensation of touch on the phantom hand form the basis and testing ground for the idea that what we have called the "self" in the past is just the content of a transparent self-model in our brains. Now, as new ways of manipulating the conscious mind-brain appear on the scene, it will soon become possible to alter our subjective reality in an unprecedented manner. The cultural consequences of this, Metzinger claims, may be immense: we will need a new approach to ethics, and we will be forced to think about ourselves in a fundamentally new way. At TEDxRheinMain 2011 he will share his thoughts on consciousness and the self and talk about the concept of the Ego-Tunnel.

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