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Re: [rlccef] Fwd: [9-12-melbourne] Fwd: Fla Yesterdays Indian River Lagoon Article

From: richard c.
Sent on: Monday, April 25, 2016, 9:00 AM
Hi Barbara, I mostly agree, I have been here "part time" since 1967 and full time since 1985. I used to go clamming in  Melbourne Beach, swimming in the river, water skiing in the river. I no longer do.

When I moved to the moorings the depth at the dock was about 5 feet. Now we have two depths, 3 feet till ya hit the muck and 5 feet till you strike bottom.

I no longer have a 42 foot sport fisherman but if  I did, I suspect it would have to "dig" its way to the dock. The engines were 500 HP each so I think it could push its wat through. The engines run on freshwater from water to water coolers. I know not suspect sucking the muck would rake havoc with the JABSCO pumps. The HVAC units (3) of them also have water over air coolers and the water is from smaller JABSCO pumps. Running the AC at the dock would be a thing of the past.  I have a few Ideas.

1. Not one more single cent to FIT for another test.

2. Stick with the fertilizer ban. 

3. Also voluntary or mandatory 15 foot barrier from fertilizer application on all river and canals.

4. I've been told by scientists that fertilizer is useful 2 times a year. Why then does Tru-Green, Flowers, Slug a  Bug,
etc. come every other month?    The only reason I can think of is $$$$$$$. $500-$600 a year for fertilizer and bug spray is BS. We are over doing it by at least 300%. Buy a little wheelie thing from Lowes for $30 and 2 bags a year of weed and feed. Savings $400.

5. Continuing: Stop fertilizing every other month. Stop fertilizing 15 feet away from the water. It will migrate there anyway/

6. Real important mow only so the discharge goes away from the water. This means that near the water you have to dink around a bit and not do a 180 turn at every row. No clippings in the water!!!!

7. Buy a lawn mower:  We had our back yard completely devastated by GRUBS, we had to completely re-sod. The lawn guys bring with them grubs and chinch-bugs from the previous yard. They also run over your sprinklers, and if they use that " Dixie-Chopper" which is a great machine for doing big areas, they rip up everything. Plus if you fertilize and cut yourself you save a lot of money, insure the 15 foot barrier is respected and possibly loose a few pounds with a little exercise.

8. Aeration works in your fish tank and it works in rivers. Thru out most of Europe and in England aeration is commonly used when O2 levels drop. It's not that complicated.

9. I heard Ritch Workman 2 times now talk about blocking of about 1,000 culverts so that run off from the streets doesn't go in the rivers and canals. This is exactly why politicians and news men should be scientists or talk with them before speaking. Ritch's idea would be effective in reducing runoff, but it would cause severe flooding. Good idea Ritch just not thought through.

10. Alternate: Many many cities in the USA and all over Europe run street sweepers of the vacuum type so that stuff by the curb is vacuumed up and nor in the river.

NOTE: This week end I washed out the shop vac so it would be clean. I vacuumed about 100 feet in front of my my house and got about 10 pounds of "stuff" grass, fine sand and who knows what else. I will get it analyzed.  But think of this, there are 300 homes in my development, so the next heavy rain 3,000 pounds of stuff would go down the drain and into the river. This is one rain only and there are many neighborhoods,  do the math.  Street sweepers  are not that expensive.

Note: Think of this:   Everyone has tires, tires wear out, ever wonder where the time dust goes?  All over the black and in your lungs. Ever wonder what's in tire dust? Carbon Black, Oil, Sulfur, Steel, antioxidants, strengtheners, zinc, nickel, chromium, cadmium, copper.   When it rains heavy all of that goes into guess where? the lagoon. Rubber? Not really how about a bunch of Latex,   How much? Well total US is estimated to be 650,000 tons a year.
Then there is brake dust!!!!

11. Our biggest problem is too many cooks in the Kitchen, Commissioners, Fisher, Barfield, Anderson, Smith, and Infantini could vote 5;0 unanimous (a cold day in hell) to do what ever and DEP, The core of Engineers, Federal EPA, and at least 5 more entities would jump for control and negate them. Commissioner Infantini might be doing a little grandstanding by asking Gov. Scott to declare an emergency but actually Scott could pull all agencies together, so the idea isn't all that far fetched.

12. Some ONE has to be in charge, Gov Scott appoints a lagoon CZAR that can not be overruled.

13 The dumbest idea (but typical) I ever heard was that of commissioner Barfield, Raise a tax before you have a plan, before you know how much you need. If you listened real close the tax is just the tip of the iceberg>

He said have a tax generating 25-30 million a year typical. But then he tipped his hand, he said that with this "cash flow" he could then borrow 500 million in bonds.  Excuse me commissioner Barfield BPS tried this nonsense 10 years ago. They borrowed $700 million. They have been paying 39 million a year in mostly interest. That $700 "free loan" is killing the budget at BPS, we have paid about 390 million in mostly interest and will pay "estimated" 1.5 billion when it's over. What does that mean?  Well a lot of that money could have gone to teachers. We really paid not $80 million for Heritage high we paid closer to 200 million. We did not pay $254 a foot we paid about $700 a foot. We did not pay $35,000 per student we paid more like $86,000 per student. Long term debt has a way of sneaking up on ya.

How do you eat an elephant? Small bites.  Raise a bunch on money, no plan, no one in charge, just throw a bunch of money at it?   The Einstein definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome.

Now throw a bunch of money with no plan and no one in charge is a plan. Best plan is to put "Florida's Little Man" in charge so the "good ole boys" get their cut, even of the plan fails. Einstein is rolling over in his grave.  How about putting former Satellite Chief Lionel Cote in charge, he doesn't know diddly about the science but at least he won't steel or allow to be stolen the money!  I don't think he has a horse in the race other than living here for 100 years.

Rant off, I'm heading to my dock to drop in an air compressor to add oxygen to the water. I'll take a sample and have it analyzed and then take another a month from now and see if there are any changer. In the mean time the county, Dep, the Cia Fbi, Corps of Engineers will probably come here from a complaint from one of my helpful neighbors.  If I get locked up my wife or daughter will keep you posted.  Sorry James servant of God and the Lord Jesus Christ, but Your take on Pride, hypocrisy, favoritism, and slander is to the point. There several James in the bible, my bet that THIS James is James the brother of Jesus.

OK now what are you going to do?

The bible tells us how to fix this: James 2: 14-26.    Translated: Stop talking about it and get off your a$$ and do something! 
 
     
 
Sincerely,

Richard Charbonneau

420 PORT ROYAL BLVD.
 
Satellite Beach Fl 32937 

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     Wow!
     After reading the article entitled “Scorecard shows failures on the Indian River Lagoon” (posted by Bob Gabordi, Florida Today12:17 a.m. EDT April 23, 2016) and looking at the criteria Florida Today based its “grades” upon, it is obvious to a Constitutional Originalist and fiscal conservative that the premises FT’s presumptions are base upon are those of the liberal, statist, progressives whose solution to every imaginable problem is to throw more (taxpayer) money at the issue – money controlled by the statists with a “we know what’s best for you, now do what we say” attitude.
    I have been living in south Brevard since 1960. I remember when the IRL had clear water, massive river grass beds, an abundance of shellfish and other aquatic life. But, it was a rare sight to see a manatee, and that only occurred when they were migrating from north to south in order to find warm winter waters.
    I have witnessed numerous – and have even participated in, water quality studies of the IRL. It always seems to be the same old thing. Spend, spend, spend; study, study, study – and than, do nothing. What a (typical) governmental waste of time and money!
    The cited FT article completely ignores the past’s actions of man that created the current problems:
  • Man has been, and probably always will be, attracted to the commercial and economic opportunities of living at the waters edge. Add to that the recreational and lifestyle benefits of living as a river rat or a beach bum. In pursuit of the fulfillment of those desires, man brought in tons and tons of fill and blocked off the natural water flow through the IRL system when the causeways were built. Don’t think the folks are going to allow the causeways to be removed. Got to reach the beach!
  • Prior to the modern human influx into Florida, it was for the most part, swampland. What is now I-95 was built upon a natural ridge. Rain that fell to the west of that ridge feed the swamps that make up Lake Washington and the headwaters of the Saint Johns River. The rain that fell east drained into the IRL. To accommodate the people explosion, that swampland west of I-95 was dredged and diked. The fresh water that used to flow west now flows east and dumps into the IRL.  
  • Manatees used to be occasional, transient visitors to the IRL areas in Brevard. But because they are so cute and cuddly, the “save the everything” (except mankind) eco-crowd demands the power plants maintain an artificial warm-water habitat for the sea cows year round (wonder if their aortic valves would work in my chest?). The gentle giants have no need to migrate back to the warm waters in the southern areas of the state. Now they can just stay here year round and completely strip the IRL’s bottom of the river grasses that are needed to support other forms of aquatic life and poop the eco-system out of balance – thus causing the algae blooms that in turn caused the recent fish kills!
 
     So now what to do? Throw more money at years of more studies that won’t produce a consensus of how to solve the problems? How about this:
 
    1. Since we know “We” are not going to restore the natural water flow by removing the  
causeways, let’s open the locks at Port Canaveral for one tide cycle a day and see if that helps. Won’t cost the money for a multi-year study and positive results (or failure) should be readily apparent. If this works or shows promise, cut a new inlet north of Patrick Air Force Base. That would also create a plethora of new business opportunities to re-vitalize south Cocoa Beach and north Satellite Beach. But of course to do this, all of the inhibiting (and asinine) eco-regulations would have to be waived. “Our” elected officials still have the power to over-rule the un-elected bureaucrats, don’t they?
    2. “They” (environmental scientist) have been “talking” about re-diverting storm water back to the west at I-95 for at least 20 years now. Stop talking and just do it! Also, install “Baffle Boxes” at the major canals that dump fresh water into the estuaries that flow into the IRL and keep them cleaned out. I do agree with “muck” removal projects.
    3. The IRL system in Brevard has long since passed its manatee “carrying – capacity” (the population of a species an eco-system can support). Requiring the power plants to maintain “hot-spots” for manatees during winter months must be stopped as it is an artificial interference in the natural eco-system. It is also an abuse of coercive government power. Manatees have eaten and pooped themselves out of a home. Coquina rock or other artificial barriers could be placed a hundred feet or so from the shore line with river grass (and oyster) beds re-planted. Air lines could also be placed in these areas and turned on at night to keep the dissolved oxygen levels up to prevent algae blooms and fish kills. This part of the solution must be strictly voluntary and left up to the property owners in compliance with their Constitutional property rights. It could however, be encouraged by local and state environmental agencies eliminating all regulatory burdens and eliminating “permits” and fees for these types of initiatives. Again, in this representative Constitutional Republic, “our” elected officials still have the power to over-rule the un-elected bureaucrats, don’t they?
 
The time for talk, study, and wasted taxpayer dollars has long since passed. Time for “our” elected representatives to show some spine and TELL the unelected bureaucrats what “WE” want done.
 
Read the Florida Today “Article” (editorial) yourself at:





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