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Re: [rockclimbing-62] September Dues

From: Lou
Sent on: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:42 PM
I am a climber and mountaineer with over 3 decades of experience in alpine, waterfall, and trad climbing in various places all over the world. I took a look at your spreadsheet. Let me point out a few things. First of all, if you expect anyone to believe that you're paying over $700 for a toprope setup you need to get a grip. Take a look here: or here: or here: By buying your equipment in only one of these spots you can cut what you pay for the equipment you've listed by about 40% of what you claim to be paying. If you shop around you can get a decent toprope setup for about $250. C'mon, my full alpine rack, with cams, biners, nuts, pins, screws, slings and draws, and all the other stuff, plus ice tools, and a single dry rope only cost a few hundred more than what you say you pay for a toprope anchor. Get real.  By the way, what in the world are you going to do with 13 locking carabiners of various shapes? That's just ridiculous. A toprope with a slingshot belay takes two lockers. Three if you're paranoid. I just checked their website and REI sells a large, Black Diamond, HMS style keynose locking carabiner for $9.95 - regular price, not on sale. Why pay twice as much? Please explain to us why anyone toproping needs 2 cordelettes (which cost $8.95 each btw, not $15.00), 70 feet of 1" webbing runners (why are you paying 50 cents a foot for this), AND 110 feet of static rope? That's one hell of a toprope anchor, there. What are you going to do? Put a runner around an entire mountain? Equalize 8 or 10 placements? Or are you setting up a trad rack and these are your runners and cordelettes? Rope protectors? $50 OF ROPE PROTECTORS! Fer crissakes, go to the firehouse and ask them to give you one of their old hoses that they're going to throw away. Oh, and $125 buys a really nice technical backpack if you shop the sales. Exactly how far do you plan to hump all this extra stuff anyway?

Now look. Nobody who is even slightly knowledgeable about this is going to give you any money  if you make such outrageous claims. Why don't you try telling the truth? I don't think that most people are aware that organizers are charged a fee for the groups. I certainly wasn't. You should let them know. What's the fee, $19 a month or something like that? I think everyone would agree that the members should pay that, not the organizers. You guys do the work of running the group and shouldn't have to pay for it. In fact, as soon as I'm done with this I'm going to suggest to all the organizers of the other groups I frequent that they should let their members know about the fee they're charged. If you're going to charge people something for instructing them be up front about it. They'll pay you. Climbing instructors and guides get paid all the time. If the group is going to purchase equipment for group use that's cool and the group should pay for it. You should try to economize and get the best value you can for their money.  Just stop trying to tell me your toprope anchor costs $700 unless it needs to be extended far from the rock in which case it costs more. That's absurd. {$50 for rope protectors!!! Sheesh!!}


Jim wrote:
Please remember to get in your membership dues soon. Easiest way is to use paypal. If not you can give them to one of the orgainizers at a meetup event and then email Jim who you gave your money too. Paying for a few months at a time is encouraged.


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