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RE: Amnesty attempt again and again

From: user 7.
Sent on: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:25 PM

Yes, that’s what I am saying.  That cost you cite was NOT caused by “foreigners”; it was caused by YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT.

If you misplace the blame, and fail to see the actual cause, you can’t fix the real problem – which is socialism in America (especially in CA).

Scapegoating is an extremely poor (indeed, strongly counter-productive) approach to achieving or maintaining liberty.


Philip Boncer


From: i4freedom

So you are saying there is no cost ($160,744 to SD county) or other harm to America caused by foreigners? That's 160 THOUSAND DOLLARS for just 3 months.  
From: [address removed]: [address removed]: RE: [ronpaul-93] Amnesty attempt again and againDate: Wed, 30 Jan[masked]:42:05 -0500

I read your argument carefully.  It’s in significant part factually wrong, and is entirely irrelevant to the subject of liberty.
Our Constitution applies to ANYONE who is under the jurisdiction of the U.S. government FOR ANY REASON – citizen, legal immigrant, illegal immigrant, prisoner of war, enemy combatant – ANYONE.
And the rights it protects apply to EVERYONE EVERYWHERE, as they are individual human rights held inherently by all men equally.
Jingoistic xenophobia is not libertarian. Sure, you didn’t refer to any *specific* race or ethnicity; you only said that *all* those who are different from “us” are bad, which is prejudiced and anti-liberty at its core.
And support for liberty is not to be conditional, pragmatic, only when it’s convenient – that’s not support for the idea at all.
You should study up more on what liberty means, and what libertarianism means.
Philip Boncer

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