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Notes from tonight's meetup discussion

From: Jeffrey F.
Sent on: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:23 AM

From tonight's meetup:

Here are the notes I took. Anyone else want to add anything?


Discussion topics:

  • "I'd like to try having the team work on just one feature at a time. No iterations, just a single feature from start to finish, rinse & repeat."
  • "I'd like to try having 'automated monkey testing', a tool that would explore the application with random input to find problems."
  • "I'd like to try having personas (from Goal Oriented Design) that could plug into automated acceptance test, so you could test different paths to the same behavior."
  • "I'd like to try starting from a photoshop mockup and then code through the application reaching the data layer last. This is backwards from my usual approach."

Aha Moments:

Corey: We're not doing enough user persona modeling.

Doug: I had never considered persona based testing before.

Tye: It was new to think of a hierarchy of importance that goes Interaction > Domain > Data Layer.

Kevin: It is shocking how often we think of the role of QA as being destructive. (About breaking things rather than confirming that behavior works.)

Mark: Get one thing done before moving on. (But why is it that some of us want it? It feels like nobody else does...)

Dave: I need exercises for working outside my comfort zone, for removing scar tissue. Without that I'm missing opportunities to improve.

Mark: Why is waterfall so easy to describe while describing agile so hard? (This will be the theme for next month's meetup!)

Jeff: People don't like to do what they're bad at, they avoid it. They'd rather do what they're good at. (A duh and aha at the same time.)

Kevin: Don't make me do stuff I'm not good at it.

Phillippe: Automated monkey testing after a good quick smoke test could be useful.

Phillippe: Need focus in an iteration rather than a random collection of stories.

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