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Charlotte Philosophy Discussion Group Message Board › the psychiatrization of psychiatry an enabler and not the cure

the psychiatrization of psychiatry an enabler and not the cure of societal pathology

A former member
Post #: 208

Sorry, I do not know how to insert the text into a "grey box". Anyone?

no problem.
Bill Van F.
Group Organizer
Charlotte, NC
Post #: 1,151
I think he was saying that Rx drugs do not have to be prescribed for all situations; sometimes, all one needs to do is imbibe a little and thus relax a little.
Yes, I think he is saying that. But the implication is that the problem is transient. Most people are not going to be put on an antidepressant for some problem that lasts only a few days. They wouldn't be able to get in to see their PCP that fast, probably, and certainly not a psychiatrist. Depression goes on and on for quite a long time, and is not helped by alcohol, which, if anything, makes things worse. If one minimizes what people with depression are going through, one can be critical of the prescribing of antidepressant medication.

On the other hand, antidepressants do have negative side effects, and should not be prescribed lightly, or taken improperly. There are complex judgments to be made in using antidepressants, and such judgments are frequently not made.

But alcohol also has negative side effects, especially when used to "treat" depression.

I think there is a significant oversimplification of very complex issues in taking a position like that of Szasz.
A former member
Post #: 1,052
As we learn more about our internal mental processes and as we augment ourselves with technology we'll all be better equipped to deal with various subjects and actors in our environments.

And to better understand ourselves and ourselves in our environments.

Computational Psychiatry 2013
Announcing CP13: Miami
OCTOBER 22-23, 2013
Join us in Miami, Florida for the seminal US meeting on Computational Psychiatry.

In recent years the field of human neuroscience, particularly functional neuroimaging, has begun to address the underlying neurobiology related to changes in brain function related to psychiatric disease.

This effort has produced some exciting early discoveries, but more importantly has uncovered the need to fill a critical gap of knowledge in the domain of computational models that underlie mental health and dysfunction.

The expertise and quantitative tools required to address this gap exist only across disciplines, combining skills and knowledge from investigators and clinicians that are jointly interested in solving problems of mental health.

Computational Psychiatry aims to bring together experts in neuroscience, psychiatry, decision sciences and computational modeling to quantitatively define problems in psychiatric disease, and to train the next generation of scientists and clinicians that wish to apply these models to modern diagnosis and treatment strategies.

Comparison of consumer brain–computer interfaces

Tan Le: A headset that reads your brainwaves, Focus Factor For Kids

TEDxToronto -- Ariel Garten -- Redefining Consciousness

A former member
Post #: 1,056
We are getting a sort of 'all of humanity' feedback system with updates from the web
from web pages like from below.

Soon these feedback systems will be to the individual with feed back tools like from the below link..

Comparison of consumer brain–computer interfaces

RSOE - Emergency and Disaster Information Service

Real time wikipedia updates

A former member
Post #: 1,057

How the Brain Really Works
New techniques are letting researchers look at the activity of the whole brain at once

The new, more dynamic picture of the brain makes psychology even more crucial.
The researchers could only explain the very complex pattern of brain activity by relating it to what they knew about categorization and attention.
In the same way, knowing the activity of every wire on every chip in my computer wouldn't tell me much if I didn't also know the program my machine was running.

Neuroscience may be sexier than psychology right now, and it certainly has a lot more money and celebrity.
But they really cannot get along without each other.

A former member
Post #: 1,058

Medicine's big new battleground: does mental illness really exist?
The latest edition of DSM, the influential American dictionary of psychiatry, says that shyness in children, depression after bereavement, even internet addiction can be classified as mental disorders.

It has provoked a professional backlash, with some questioning the alleged role of vested interests in diagnosis

It has the distinctly uncatchy, abbreviated title DSM-5, and is known to no one outside the world of mental health.

Critics claim that the American Psychiatric Association's increasingly
voluminous manual will see millions of people unnecessarily categorised as having psychiatric disorders.
For example, shyness in children, temper tantrums and depression following the death of a loved one could become medical problems, treatable with drugs.
So could internet addiction.

Inevitably such claims have given ammunition to psychiatry's critics, who believe that many of the conditions are simply inventions dreamed up for the benefit of pharmaceutical giants.

A disturbing picture emerges of mutual vested interests, of a psychiatric industry in cahoots with big pharma. As the writer, Jon Ronson, only half-joked in a recent TED talk: "Is it possible that the psychiatric profession has a strong desire to label things that are essential human behaviour as a disorder?"

A former member
Post #: 1,066

Moran Cerf: Hacking the brain
Moran Cerf is a neuroscientist who has shown how to project patients’ thoughts onto a screen in front of their eyes by implanting electrodes deep inside their brains and reading the activity of cells. Oh, and he used to rob banks. "There are at least two people inside our mind."


Thought recording and reproduction device
A thought recording and reproduction device refers to any machine which is able to both directly record and reproduce, via a brain-computer interface, the thoughts, emotions, dreams or other neural/cognitive events of a subject for that or other subjects to experience.

While currently residing within mostly fictional displays of the capacity of such devices (i.e., Brainstorm (1983), Until the End of the World (1991), Strange Days (1995), Final Fantasy:
The Spirits Within (2001)), the idea has received increased scientific currency since the development of the first BCI-enabled devices.

Thought projection by neurons in the human brain

Moran Cerf is a neuroscientist who has shown how to project patients’ thoughts onto a screen in front of their eyes by implanting electrodes deep inside their brains and reading the activity of cells.
Oh, and he used to rob banks. "There are at least two people inside our mind."


The Illusion of Free Will - Mindshare LA

This is the intro to a fascinating session by neuroscientist Moran Cerf, revealing how we aren't really cognizant of how we actually make decisions. His theory is that we contain multitudes; that we are completely illogical in how we assess experiences after the fact; we are swayed most by the last experience we had.

He uses the example of how patients rate having a colonscopy performed on them to illustrate this point. http://www.morancerf....­

Bill Van F.
Group Organizer
Charlotte, NC
Post #: 1,840
Brain management. We can produce an environment around a child, and around each other, that fosters the development of a part of the brain that studies the rest of itself and gradually optimizes its responses and other processes. That environment can be called child rearing, psychotherapy, religious study, etc. The result is that the self looks at itself and increasingly develops the tendency to modify its tendencies, making them more and more consistent with goals developed at the higher level. This is the development of ethics, that set of beliefs about what we should and should not do.

But the question is, "What should that highest level goal be?" A Humanian will answer, "We should do that which will promote not only the survival of our species but also as much joy, contentment, and appreciation as possible and as little pain, suffering, disability, and early death as possible, for everyone, now and in the future."

So the key is the development of that environment, right? And we have to know how to do it, right? And in order to know how to do something, we have to study, right? And where can you study to be a Humanian? At the website (, right? And at Charlotte Humanianity (Humanianity of USA/NC/Charlotte), right? And where can we get a beginning idea of a better way to raise children, at, right?

So, do you want to be a Humanian? Do you want to surround yourself with an environment that fosters Humanianity? Do you want to do your part to make this world a better place for the many, many people who are yet to come and who will be deeply grateful for your effort (even if they will not have known you and will probably know nothing about you)? Do you at least want to find out more about Humanianity? Is there the slightest possibility at all that your development of this higher level of functioning in your brain might, just might, result in the saving of many, many lives, and the prevention of enormous suffering, downstream, in that far future where the "little" things we do (like attending a Humanian meeting) might have some long-term influence that we can only imagine?
A former member
Post #: 1,083
As our technology gives us feedback on our environment (WORLD ONE : THE PHYSICAL WORLD,WORLD TWO : SUBJECTIVE REALITY, WORLD THREE : OBJECTIVE KNOWLEDGE ), should that technology that allows us to better understand ourselves be opensourced?

Open Sourcing Mental Illness
Raising awareness in the Open Source community about mental illness.

Engine Yard Out and About - Episode 9 - Ed Finkler
Published on Jul 5, 2013
PJ's back with another episode of EY Out and About.
In this episode we visit with Ed Finkler, a speaker extraordinaire, who focuses on mental illness and the coding community.
Ed is an accomplished coder who is working to help people recognize there own mental issues and address them in order to create a more mentally healthy community.

A former member
Post #: 1,084

Various technologys are aiding us humans too help us do what does not come naturally to us (not too punish, predict the weather, etc.)

Technology is aiding us humans now more ubiquously through the difficult transition for us too better understand ourselves in
Karl Popper's 3 worlds.

There are machine learning aids (online flashcards) (trainer, teacher) which aid the learner.

The machine algorithm(the trainer, teacher) understands the nature of the learner by what the machine knows already what to be acceptable input and then from the actual input from the learner.

This discrepancy between what was expected by the trainer and was was entered by the learner is made into a model by the trainer.
This model of the learner made by the trainer is applied to aid the transition from the learners unacceptable input to the learner's acceptable input in the most efficient manner.

The better the trainer is at understanding the strength and weaknesses of the learner the better able the trainer is to provide the right material at the right time to the learner so that the learner is better at knowing the 3 worlds.

These technologies take understanding from all 3 worlds.­­­­
Cobocards: http://www.cobocards....­

cueflash: http://www.cueflash.c...­
Flash Card Machine: http://www.flashcardm...­
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