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Charlotte Philosophy Discussion Group Message Board › what is acceptable sexual behavior?

what is acceptable sexual behavior?

A former member
Post #: 1,021
A good video on how to deal with fictions rather than ideals when dealing with pleasure and frustration to handle the societal frustrations which may aim to humiliate us.

Adam Phillips: Pleasure and Frustration, NYT

Adam Phillips thinking aloud on pleasure and frustration

A former member
Post #: 1,025
Are we in need of a society as ethically advanced as our technology?
Are we applying an optimal social cooperation model to handle the free riding problem in society; which is to prevent cheating.

Our default human social cooperation model may be one of metered punishment and revenge.

New lawsuit against “revenge porn” site also targets GoDaddy

After IsAnybodyUp went dark, even sleazier imitator came around, named IsAnybodyDown.
It features full names, and often phone numbers, of the ordinary people's nude shots.
Ars' own Tim Lee reported on that site last year, noting that such sites test the boundaries of legal extortion, since the site features a service called "Takedown Hammer" which allows users to get off the site—if they pay up.
Attorney Marc Randazza has even blogged about his plan to use copyright law to attack that site.

Last week, a new lawsuit was filed against a different "involuntary porn" site (which the plaintiffs call "revenge porn").
The suit [PDF] against takes a more direct approach than Randazza: it alleges that creating "revenge porn" violates Texas state privacy laws.

The lawsuit includes 16 named plaintiffs and seeks class-action status for all the women featured on the site.
(According to the lawsuit, is dedicated to publishing only photos of "young women," unlikely IsAnybodyDown which include a few nude males as well.)

Two of the named plaintiffs, Hollie Toups and Marianna Taschinger, are also telling their stories on a website called "End Revenge Porn," which encourages victims of the practice and their sympathizers to lobby the amend the laws, so that "revenge porn is perceived to be a criminal act," that state law enforcement can act upon.

"The victims of this act are unable to stop it from happening because law enforcement will not even allow these cases to be reported," states the site on its "petition" page.
"State police argue that the crime is occurring on the internet, which therefore crosses state lines and is out of their jurisdiction.
The FBI claim that these cases are civil and/or do not threaten national security and should therefore be handled solely by lawyers."

Revenge and the people who seek it
New research offers insight into the dish best served cold.

"Virtually everybody was angry over what happened to them," Carlsmith says, "and everyone given the opportunity [for revenge] took it."
He then gave the students a survey to measure their feelings after the experiment.
He also asked the groups who'd been allowed to punish the free rider to predict how they'd feel if they hadn't been allowed to, and he asked the non-punishing groups how they thought they'd feel if they had.
In the feelings survey, the punishers reported feeling worse than the non-punishers, but predicted they would have felt even worse had they not been given the opportunity to punish.
The non-punishers said they thought they would feel better if they'd had that opportunity for revenge—even though the survey identified them as the happier group.
In other words, both groups thought revenge would be sweet, but their own reported feelings agreed more with MLK Jr. than with Exodus.
The results suggest that, despite conventional wisdom, people—at least those with Westernized notions of revenge—are bad at predicting their emotional states following revenge, Carlsmith says.
The reason revenge may stoke anger's flames may lie in our ruminations, he says.
When we don't get revenge, we're able to trivialize the event, he says.
We tell ourselves that because we didn't act on our vengeful feelings, it wasn't a big deal, so it's easier to forget it and move on.
But when we do get revenge, we can no longer trivialize the situation.
Instead, we think about it. A lot.
"Rather than providing closure, it does the opposite: It keeps the wound open and fresh," he says.

On planetary basis, a punishment model for social cooperation looks to be problematic

It’s so simple really, the problem of violence: Hurt people hurt people.
The motivation is revenge, not because human beings are fundamentally evil, but because vengeance is part of the innate survival mechanics of a complex social species.
The desire for vengeance is as old – or older – than humankind and to understand this complex and ancient response, we need to push aside our socially developed notions of revenge and look for its roots.
Reciprocity, or “tit-for-tat” is the basis of social relationships, manifesting even among our primate ancestors.
Behavior that sabotages cooperation, so necessary for survival, will be punished.
Chimpanzees experience retaliatory outrage for cheating behavior among their peers and will exact punishment.
A similar retaliatory outrage can be traced throughout human history, but we call it a “thirst for vengeance.”
The desire for revenge is an evolved outgrowth of our human sense of unsatisfied reciprocity, what today we consider a desire for justice.
But notions of justice can be twisted and tortured to fit the needs of the moment and the demands of the social system.
So too, can justice be twisted to address the internal economy of the individual.

Other animals only punish directly when affected by the free-riding.

Chimp Behavior Study Shows Animals Dish Out Punishment Only When Directly Affected
Rob a bank and it won't be the teller who sentences you to jail, but rather a judge.
This is known as third-party punishment, in which individuals punish violators even when the violation doesn’t directly affect them, and it’s critical to the maintenance of cooperation in human societies.
But dominant chimpanzees, who dish out punishment when stolen from, turn a blind eye unless the theft directly affects them, according to a new study.

Humans may punish even when not directly affected by the free-riding.

Third-party punishment, also known as altruistic punishment, refers to a phenomenon in which a person or party is punished for violation of social norms by an outside observer who is not directly affected by the violation.
It can be argued that third-party punishments are the essence of social norms, as they are evolutionary stable unlike second-party punishments.
It has also been shown that third-party punishments are exhibited in all examined populations, though the magnitude of the punishments varies greatly, and that costly punishment co-varies with altruistic behavior.
Differences between within-group and inter-group altruistic punishments have also been observed.

A former member
Post #: 1,047

Rape culture is a concept used to describe a culture in which rape and sexual violence are
common and in which prevalent attitudes, norms, practices, and media normalize, excuse, tolerate, or
even condone rape.

Examples of behaviors commonly associated with rape culture include victim blaming, sexual
objectification, and trivializing rape.
Rape culture has been used to model behavior within social groups, including prison systems
where prison rape is common and conflict areas where war rape is used as psychological warfare.
Entire countries have also been alleged to be rape cultures.

Although the concept of rape culture is a generally accepted theory in feminist academia,[6]
there is disagreement over what defines a rape culture and to what degree a given society
meets the criteria to be considered a rape culture.

Rape culture has been observed to correlate with other social factors and behaviors.
Research identifies correlation between rape myths, victim blaming and trivialization of
rape with increased incidence of racism, homophobia, ageism, classism, religious intolerance
and other forms of discrimination.

Steubenville Football & Rape Culture

Rape Culture in our Media

A former member
Post #: 1,087
Do prisoners once released to the outside prison society use then the outside prison society, the free people, as inhabitants
for their returning to normal from their biologic deprivation in prison to regain their biological connection to accepting pleasure and acceptance of their self?

Former Hostage Shane Bauer Investigates Solitary Confinement

Bill Van F.
Group Organizer
Charlotte, NC
Post #: 1,846
We are angry chimps, automatically following our "instinct" for punishment and revenge, creating thereby the very behavior that we punish and avenge--a vicious circle. It is time for us to learn. We don't have to live this way. Is it okay, then, just to look the other way?
A former member
Post #: 1,090
Us humans are damn sexy. But, how best may we understand the layers of western society and how to deal with various cultural artifacts that we may disagree with?

Marvin Harris on Homosexuality

Cultural Materialism

What are examples of cultural materialism?
Cultural materialism is an approach that divides a culture into 3 layers: infrastructure, structure, and superstructure.

Infrastructure is how people attend to their basic needs of survival and reproduction.

Structure is how these strategies are managed at the level of the household and society (i.e. institutions and laws).

Superstructure is the ideology that keeps the wheels of the other two levels going (i.e. the beliefs, values, art, etc.).

For cultural materialists, the level of infrastructure is the most important determining factor in the form a society will take.
A classic example is the protection of sacred cows in India.
Although many of us might see these cows as a valuable food source, for the adaptive strategy of agriculture, cows are more useful for their labor in the fields.

When the infrastructure changes (people adopted agriculture), the superstructure also changed (a new belief in the sacredness of cows) to facilitate practices that support the community's economic viability.
The below example may be a form of a baboon Cultural materialism superstructure change.

The Science of Sexism: Primate Behavior and the Culture of Sexual Coercion
To illustrate how powerful the influence of culture can be for primate societies consider the most extreme example of a sexually coercive species: savanna baboons.
Male baboons have been known to viciously maul a female that has rejected their advances and the level of male aggression is strongly correlated with their mating success.
However, in a unique natural experiment Stanford primatologist Robert Sapolsky observed what developed when the largest and most aggressive males died out in a group known as Forest Troop (because they were feeding at the contaminated dump site of a Western safari lodge).
In the intervening years Forest Group developed a culture in which kindness was rewarded more than aggression and adolescent males who migrated into the troop adopted this culture themselves.
As Sapolsky related in his essay “A Natural History of Peace” for the journal Foreign Affairs

lorem i.
user 119941362
Billings, MT
Post #: 17

Using the term rape culture has removed the correct framing around the issues around male/female rape.

There's No Rape Culture!

Warren Farrell protest at the University of Toronto - Full version

Warren Thomas Farrell (born June 26, 1943) is an American educator, activist and author of seven books on men's and women's issues.

He came to prominence in the 1970s as one of the leading male thinkers[2] championing the cause of second wave feminism, and serving on the New York City Board of the National Organization of Women (NOW). However, when NOW took policy positions that Farrell regarded as anti-male and anti-father, he continued supporting the expansion of women’s options[3] while adding what he felt was missing about boys, men and fathers. He is now recognized as one of the most important figures in the modern men's movement.

The Business of Strangers - An Anatomy Lesson

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user 119941362
Billings, MT
Post #: 19
Ideological distinctions of how we use biological definitions to define us.

Emotion and Aesthetics in Masculinity

A former member
Post #: 34
I get it, say nothing, mean nothing and the whole world says you're smart.
Bill Van F.
Group Organizer
Charlotte, NC
Post #: 1,956
You know, it occurs to me that Chuck is saying things about others' posts that I have said about his. But I do try to avoid being hostile and demeaning, whereas Chuck seems to have that as his main motivation, at least as far as I can tell from the way he says things.
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