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Re: Church grows

From: bruce
Sent on: Friday, March 8, 2013 5:06 PM
I agent gone to an atheist church and frankly my need for community is better satisfied with friends, libertarian groups or gay groups

But an atheist church is a voluntary association, outside of a Stalinist country anyway, that one is free to leave

And unlike religious churches presumably no one disowns you from a family or tells you you are going to eternal damnation if you leave

On Friday, March 8, 2013, Joseph B wrote:
It's weird... while I get the idea behind it (the importance of camaraderie and shared group activities), from my experience, atheism attracts people who tend to be a bit.... anti-group/ anti-authoritarian. So for me, this is a bit like creating a high school pep rally for the goth kids. You have a format with a single "leader" at the front, who directs everyone to "follow along".... and then teaches you morality... "be more altruistic!"  

I think at the heart of atheism is the critical thinking, critical questioning component, and I'm not entirely sure if a "Church" format is the best method of doing that. Open round table formats would probably be better in my opinion. 

On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Norm <[address removed]> wrote:
Being an atheist doesn't mean much if one is going to following the doctrine that promotes so many ills in our society. If any group wants to simulate traditional church activities, they must first create "commandments" that are realistic and fluid.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chad <[address removed]>
To: atheists-27 <[address removed]>
Sent: Fri, Mar 8,[masked]:39 pm
Subject: Re: [atheists-27] Church grows

Yes, Dr. Shook gave an excellent presentation. I recommend watching his recorded debates on youtube or from his websites. Very sharp man.
Chad Albus

Chad <[address removed]> wrote:

When I hear of outwardly atheist christian ministers I think of atheists possibly believing in god and orthodox jews going jihad and demolishing the Wailing Wall to build a 7 Eleven. Makes perfect sense.
However, I do understand the comfort of community. Contrarily, it seems silly for a real atheist to gain anything from christian rituals. Modern medicine has many various effective treatments for such disorders.

Chad Albus

Don Wharton <[address removed]> wrote:

This is a clear trend.  A person commenting on the our Secular Perspectives blog said that all of the members of his church were atheists.  At least half the people in local Unitarian churches consider themselves atheists or humanists.  United Church of Christ congregations can also be very atheistic.  It sound like an oxymoron but there are Christian atheist preachers who are open about their opposition to anything supernatural.  They are atheists who have an appreciation for the Christian tradition and sense of community.  Obviously these people can be allies with us on almost any issue. 
John Shook gave an excellent presentation at CFI DC recently.  About half of Americans who say there is no God report that they have a religious affiliation.  They have an appreciation for the music, sense of community and perhaps shared action for social justice. 
Don Wharton

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