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Climate Change. The Problem & The Evidence

The first meeting of the climate change themed group was really well attended and there was interest in this continuing as a themed group with regular meetings. So we are now organising our second meeting so that we can carry this forward.

This meeting will look at 

a) what are the problems that have led to climate change and how can we identify the evidence when there is often conflicting interprestations.

b) Where do we get the evidence from and how do we share that evidence and knowledge and

c) What is the best way to disseminate this knowledge and in what way can this group help in this.

To help us we hope to have a speaker who will introduce this subject for ten minutes and then lead us in this discussion  

Finally we will look at the organisation of the group itself and how we can create a core and development team to plan future events and get it out on the social networks.

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  • Ed
    Ed

    Steve is very enthusiastic, but after two meetings I am not sure where this is going, and not personally convinced by the arguments, which are in part conflicting. So I am dropping out from this one, but good luck!

    March 4, 2014

  • Cedric K.
    Cedric K.

    Thought-provoking talk, but the group still needs to "gel". Looking forward to talk and discussion on deforestation (which "creates more CO2 than all the cars, planes, trains and vehicles on Earth" according to Rainforest Foundation UK). If we can all improve as climate change policy advocates and recruit more, there is hope.

    If GDP cannot be uncoupled from emissions, political obstacles might be daunting. I believe that there is little relation, eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_ratio_of_GDP_to_carbon_dioxide_emissions.

    I recommend the talk by Paul on the tragedy of the commons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85swDHY9Iwo and his endorsement of http://350.org/

    A couple of other random links might be of interest, once scientific, one literary:
    http://www.world-lecture-project.org/lecture/?id=5305d55b4dab0
    http://www.freewordcentre.com/blog/2013/12/listen-what-sort-of-a-story-is-climate-change/

    February 28, 2014

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    • Gary N.
      Gary N.

      Some interesting debate and perspectives. The CO2/GDP correlation is an interesting perspective as both measures are approximate proxies for real activities. GDP is an indication of industrial activity (although it's connection is decreasing as societies shift from manufacturing to service based economies which increase GDP but not CO2). An analogy is ice cream and umbrella sales in UK. There's a direct (inverse) correlation but a change in one does not influence the other. It's what has caused a change to one which has affected the other.

      March 1, 2014

    • Pamela M.
      Pamela M.

      Sorry I couldn't make it - and couldn't apologise in advance as the website was down.

      March 4, 2014

  • Cedric K.
    Cedric K.

    Thanks. Looking forward to it.

    People may be interested that coincidentally there is a live webcast of the launch of an authoritative explanation of climate science, today[masked]pm: http://royalsociety.org/policy/projects/climate-evidence-causes/ (you can download the free report at at any time: it does use the word "incontrovertible".)

    Sir Paul Nurse, president of the Royal Society, said: "We have enough evidence to warrant action being taken on climate change; it is now time for the public debate to move forward to discuss what we can do to limit the impact on our lives and those of future generations." (and other species, I add!)

    February 27, 2014

  • Cedric K.
    Cedric K.

    I may be able to attend. Can't find details online about the annual membership fee.

    Emissions of CO2 &CH4 are the biggest known threat to life on the planet (eg IPCC says a 4 °C rise would mean extinction for 40-70% of animal species). We need to discuss how to propagate urgency and decide action within our own networks. Not everyone will "get" science, but that doesn't matter. The contrarians are basically timewasters, some paid to spread confusion and doubt, some just confused, but if necessary pretty much all of their concerns are dealt with in detail at http://skepticalscience.com/; http://realclimate.org/; in New Scientist magazine (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462-climate-change-a-guide-for-the-perplexed.html). Also check out the "Arctic Death Spiral". We can and should act as individuals, but IMHO the important question is how to quickly change politics and economics to enable a low-carbon world. Eg get EU 45% cut pledge this year, before COP20.

    1 · February 26, 2014

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    • Paul T.
      Paul T.

      Yes Steve, quite right. I would assert the entire issue is one of political will before anything else so when I say focus on solutions I mean solutions to get the political will. Maybe we can include how to deal with deniers quickly and powerfully to ensure attaining political will is achieved ASAP?

      February 26, 2014

    • Steve R.
      Steve R.

      Paul, hopefully tomorrow we will have the evidence and the high level narrative for that...

      February 26, 2014

  • margaret G.
    margaret G.

    Sounds great - but I dont live in London. The question for me is how best to prompt action. The facts are now pretty incontroversial and well broadcast. The impact of Climate Change being felt in rich nations (previously mainly the poorer ones) offers another prompt to action. But the reaction largely seems to be a retreat into bunker mentality (small amounts of limited localised protection then keep your head down and hope) or to ignore it. I work in marketing and am conscious that its much easier to sell dreams (this pill will make you thin) rather than reality (you need to exercise more and eat less!). How can we encourage people to look at what will be a changed world more positively?

    1 · February 26, 2014

  • Jo H.
    Jo H.

    The seminars on 10th and 14th March at DAIWA may be of interest to this group: http://www.dajf.org.uk/events/upcoming-events

    1 · February 25, 2014

  • Rebecca
    Rebecca

    Sorry, mixed up my dates, can't make it.
    Would love to be kept up to date though.

    February 24, 2014

  • A former member
    A former member

    As well as the data links previously provided, it's also worth looking at this site for an interesting potential solution: www.teqs.net

    February 23, 2014

    • Steve R.
      Steve R.

      Thanks Matt - initially we will focus on evidence and communications, focussing on (potential) solutions over the coming months. The following is interesting, in its' infancy, but worth keeping an eye on:

      February 24, 2014

    • Steve R.
      Steve R.

      https://platform.carbo...­

      February 24, 2014

  • Steve R.
    Steve R.

    As a start for the group, the following links might provide some good sources of data, and some interesting preparatory reading:

    1)
    http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence

    2)
    http://climate.nasa.gov/key_indicators

    3)http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/obop/mlo/livedata/livedata.html

    4)http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/ghgemissions/gases/co2.html

    5)http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/geography_environment.html

    6)http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data_reports.shtml

    7)
    http://www.the-one-project.net/survival_of_human_beings_and_the_danger_of_economic_growth.htm

    8)
    http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n1/full/nclimate2060.html


    You might want to save these in your browsers.

    Please also feel free to post up any more links of (potential) interest to the group, including any contradictory or refuting evidence.

    February 22, 2014

  • Jo H.
    Jo H.

    Is anyone prepared to take notes at this meeting, and feed it back to those of us that cannot make it on this occasion?

    February 22, 2014

  • Alia
    Alia

    Unfortunately will be working but hope everybody has a fruitful debate on this vital issue.

    February 21, 2014

  • terence f.
    terence f.

    Sadly a committee meeting will keep me from the interesting debate. Will there be any warmists there?

    February 18, 2014

  • Lydia T.
    Lydia T.

    Still out of the country, but count me in from march on... Climate change has been here for years , but accelerating now, as the Gulf Stream currents change (creating a mini-ice age in US , floods in UK). Its man-caused, but also a natural cycle (of 1.000's years) of Earth's renewal, in that process we are undergoing with her a huge cleansing now. Governments + its people must unite in joint action, prepare, protect, & change the ways of humanity, + know where NOT to settle . Humanity must learn to hear & see the warning signs in Nature... they're there .

    1 · February 18, 2014

  • Ed
    Ed

    In Devon in the morning - so attendance dependent on the traffic coming back.....

    February 18, 2014

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