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London Futurists Message Board Events/Meetups › New Meetup: Cryonics UK, One Year On - An update from David Styles

New Meetup: Cryonics UK, One Year On - An update from David Styles

A former member
Post #: 410
If you spend some time with cryonicists, like David Styles, you'll see that they genuinely believe in what they are saying, and are aware of the risks and uncertainties with that they're attempting

Hence impatience of myself for not getting into gear and getting down and meeting the guy. I hope the video gives me enough details to do Mr Styles some justice. - Thanks for the link mind david - was worried i was looking in wrong place.
A former member
Post #: 411
If you spend some time with cryonicists, like David Styles, you'll see that they genuinely believe in what they are saying, and are aware of the risks and uncertainties with that they're attempting

Hence impatience of myself for not getting into gear and getting down and meeting the guy. I hope the video gives me enough details to do Mr Styles some justice. - Thanks for the link mind david - was worried i was looking in wrong place.
I also e-mailed him the question (politely) - hope he gives me his input.
Jonathan
Im-not-a-number
London, GB
Post #: 108
If you spend some time with cryonicists, like David Styles, you'll see that they genuinely believe in what they are saying

If I spent some time with any of the Bankers responsible for the current economic turmoil, Robert Maxwell, James Van Praagh or Osama bin Laden then I'm certain I'd also "see that they genuinely believe in what they are saying"

Fanaticism may be a wonderful motivating factor, but at the end of the day, it's results that count, not just creating a lot of publicity and (dare I say) hyperbole.

A former member
Post #: 417
watching video now - A slick salesman no doubt.
I am sorry utterly unconvincing presnetation as i felt he was selling something - so i decided to do some digging on david styles and cryonics UK

Guess where I found this?!:

Please freeze me! How scores of middle-class British couples are hoping to buy immortality for just £10 a week
It sounds like the loopiest science fiction, but - like Simon Cowell - scores of middle-class couples are paying £10 a week for their bodies to be frozen when they die. So can you really buy immortality for the price of a pizza?
When Adele Cosgrove Bray decided to share her hopes for the future with her husband, it was not quite the reaction she was looking for. 'I'd never seen anyone laugh so much,' she reflects ruefully. 'It took me a good 15 minutes to convince him I was serious.'
In fairness to her husband, Richard, these weren't your bog-standard dreams of a move to the country or a home in the sun. Adele's plans are far more long-term than that. Permanent, if you like.
As she puts it: 'I told Richard that I wanted to be frozen when I died, with a view to eventually being brought back to life to experience the future.'
Cryogenics
Science fiction... or progress? More and more people are having their bodies frozen in the hope they can be resurrected once research catches up
Little wonder he was taken aback. But then he's far from the only spouse having to confront such bizarre plans. Once the premise of creaky science-fiction plots, in recent years the cryonics movement, in which people have their bodies frozen in the hope they can be resurrected when science catches up, has gathered pace.
The Americans, unsurprisingly, have been doing it for years, setting up the first 'storage facility' for frozen corpses in the Seventies. Over here, the notion has taken a bit longer to catch on, but while no British firm offers the technology to store bodies, a growing number of Britons have made arrangements to be flown to the U.S. when they die to await the next leg of their eternal journey.
Among them is music mogul Simon Cowell, who last month announced his wish to be frozen, perhaps with a view to returning and conducting X-Factor auditions into eternity.
Still, with a multi-million-pound fortune at his disposal he can easily afford it. But people less well-off can take out life insurance which pays out to the Cryonics Institute - an organisation which stores bodies - rather than to a loved one. It means putting a down payment on the afterlife does not have to come at a premium. Adele's policy, for example, costs just £10 a month - 'cheaper than a pizza', as she brightly puts it.
Quite what they are signing up for still makes for mind-boggling reading. The process involves cooling, and then maintaining, a dead body in liquid nitrogen in the hope future scientific procedures will be able to revive the corpse and restore it to youth and good health.
It all sounds a bit terrifying, not to mention slightly gruesome - although not to Adele. As a full-time science-fiction writer, she has long dabbled in the boundaries of human possibility, and believes it to be no more sinister than any other life-saving medical procedure.
'I remember going to the cinema when I was 15 and watching the film Alien with friends,' she recalls. 'It was the first time that I had really given science fiction any thought. Now, as a sci-fi writer, being so immersed in the industry has made me realise science is moving at such a rate that almost anything will be possible in the future.'

Simon Cowell
X Factor judge Simon Cowell announced last month that he wants to be frozen
Research for her latest novel led to her discovering cryonics last year, as she surfed the web for inspiration.
'As I read into it I immediately knew that it was for me - the eternal quest for immortality and the possibility of being brought back to life to experience the future was just too much to resist,' she says. 'Perhaps I'd even get a chance to witness some of the things I wrote about in my stories? I decided I wanted to do it and told Richard my plans over dinner that night.'
As we have seen, her 41-year-old artist husband of 12 years wasn't quite so thrilled by the notion - but undeterred, Adele ploughed on in her quest, taking up her life insurance policy and starting her 'suspension contract' paperwork with the Cryonics Institute.





A former member
Post #: 418
Cont...

David Styles and Ellen Clarke

Cold comfort: Ellen Clarke only discovered her boyfriend David Styles wanted to be 'frozen' after his death when she asked about the silver bracelet he wore
'I would want them to know that it is what we want, and ensure that they understand the actions that would need to be taken if Mark or I died. I've heard through support groups about children who ignored their parents' wishes over cryonics, and I wouldn't want that to happen to us.'

For twenty-somethings Ellen Clark and David Styles, however, you'd imagine thoughts of death are a long way off. Far from it.
David, 24, has been a fully paid-up member of the cryonics gang since 2006, and his 20-year-old fiancèe is waiting for her own 'suspension contract' to be finalised.
The couple, both care workers who share a home in Macclesfield, Cheshire, met on a school trip to Rome before getting together when Ellen was 17. By then, David had already been contemplating immortality, having extensively researched the concept of cryogenics. He kept his plans to himself and Ellen discovered them during a night snuggled up on the sofa about 18 months ago.
'I noticed for the first time that he was wearing a silver bracelet,' she recalls. 'When I asked about it, he told me that it told people what to do when he died. It was then that he explained about cryonics and his wish to be frozen when he passed away.'

Ellen admits her first reaction was to laugh. But it quickly became clear David was not joking.

'After the initial surprise, I had no doubt in my mind that he was serious. Most people would have been shocked, but David had always been quirky. It was what attracted me to him in the first place.
'The next day, he handed me a computer disk with all the information about the process and I was really taken aback at what I saw. Being frozen wasn't just a myth any more, it was really possible and with a specialist life insurance policy it wasn't beyond my reach financially.'

Ellen was immediately taken by the idea. 'I thought "why not?" Some people may think that it's a bit morbid, but to me the alternatives when you die are a lot scarier.
'I know it's not a certainty that I will be brought back to life, but to me it's just the natural progression of science; it is certainly not out of the realms of possibility.
'Plus, I was completely in love with David, and we were planning our wedding. What could be a better way to say "I do"?'

In fact, David and Ellen have already decided to change their wedding vows at their nuptials in two years' time to reflect their long-term plans. Instead of 'till death do us part', they are having 'as long as life and love endure'.
'Of course, some people don't take it seriously,' she says. 'My family, like many people whom I have spoken to since, have been a bit sceptical, but they understand that it's my wish.

'Most people you ask love the idea of immortality, but many don't realise that it could actually be achievable. I love knowing that I really could be with David for ever.
'We've both always had a passion for travel and exploration and the lure of being able to explore more of the world with David in another life was too much to resist.'
Richard and Adele Cosgrove Bray
Taken aback! Richard Cosgrove Bray laughed when his wife Adele told him she wants to be preserved. Adele, who is a science fiction writer, believes crygenics are no more sinister than any other life-saving medical procedure

Back in the Wirral, Adele remains equally excited, for different reasons.

'I'm really curious about seeing what the future may hold. And although technology will no doubt be radically different, I'm not scared in any way - a human will always be there to control the on-off switch,' she says. 'I imagine that I'll be of as much interest to the new world as it will be to me. After all, I'll be a living, breathing, walking and talking piece of history.'

Here in the present, Adele's husband has yet to be tempted by the concept. As he says: 'Who would want to see this body again?'

Richard seems unlikely to relent either and, in a more prosaic approach to death, has decided to donate his body to medical science.

'Adele and I have always had radically different views on what to do when we die. To me, once you're dead you're dead,' he says.

'And I do sometimes worry about Adele's choice. I think that if they ever do work out a way to bring them back, they will be like a zoo animal, too much of a curiosity to live a normal life. But I love her more than anything and if this is what she wants then I'll support her all the way.'

Many questions, too, remain unanswered. Even if the science existed to 'unfreeze' patients and bring them back to life, quite what happens next remains a puzzle. Will their old physical ailments have been cured? Will they be frozen at the same age for ever?

And how would they cope without their family and friends - unless, that is, they have been frozen en masse?

'That does concern me,' Adele admits. 'I worry about not remembering much of my previous life or not having Richard or my family around me. The impact is something I definitely want to minimise, so I have been keeping journals and photographs to be stored with me in my cryo-chamber.

'I'm sure there will be the inevitable culture shock, but to me there is no negative side big enough to outweigh the positive - the eternal quest for immortality.'

Not to mention turning on the television 200 years from now to find Simon Cowell, back presiding over those X-Factor auditions.



Ok this report is a bit toungue in cheek but if the facts are accurate then its looks like even more of a scam even after watching 40 minutes of davids sales presentation.

"So we agree that you'll defrost me when the level of technology reaches a level that allows me to live beyond my normal life span?"
"Yes thats right.Now if you'll just sign here for the payments..."
"And you'll defiantly defrost me."
"Oh yes."
"You wont just leave to thaw out decades from now and throw me out like an old fishfinger that been found in the bottom of the freezer..."
(Laughs) "NO!. No. God no... That would be...er...that would be wrong... (fiddles with tie nervously)
"Where do I sign!"
Dirk B.
user 9941666
London, GB
Post #: 115
Hey Richie - for only £5 a week I'll nip round, saw your head off and pop it in the freezer if you're feeling a bit off peak! A half price offer! Also doing 2 for 1 if you have a friend in need. I think a trip to Iceland might be in order (not the country).
A former member
Post #: 421
Chuck in screwing my pelvis to a cakestand and you got yourself a deal!

I was wondering today what kind of care worker Mr Styles used to be - my guess is he was a Geriatric Nurse.
Using my spidey sense I deduced that Mr Styles has thought - "FXXK ME loads of stupid wealthy Americans are signed up to Cryonics and the guys at Alcor are making a mint while i'm on £6.50 a hour wiping 90 year old dribble off chins. Why don't I get my slice of the pie by getting involved with Cryonics UK and promising futuristic afterlives to wealthy stupid British residents".

Come on fellas - you must see the possibilty in my rather cynical theory - this David Styles fella is nothing more than a confidence trickster taking advantage of the recent interest in all things futuristic. If he really does believe in his work 100% (as david said) that just makes it worse in my book - He is basically (if this report is accurate) selling the promise of well..... what exactly? Sorry guys I just don't buy it and if this guy is supposed to be "Organiser" without any formal medical qualifications then I feel your are foolish to let yourself be duped by him.

In a sense hats off to him for trying to get some of that Baby Boomer wealth we discussed in another thead -
Wish i thought of it first!
Dirk B.
user 9941666
London, GB
Post #: 118
I don't see your problem.
Cryonics is a business and you don't need a medical degree to go through a rather basic procedure.
In fact, an undertaker would be a more apt choice given their embalming skills.
Were you expecting Cryonics to be some kind of community service staffed by doctors?
Jonathan
Im-not-a-number
London, GB
Post #: 114
Could I ask for clarification here - before I waste my time and bandwidth searching out a video - because the talk potentially seemed interesting, but was at an awkward time so I missed it.

Did Mr Sykes shed any light on how we can regulate Calcium in brain cells undergoing hypoxia? or was it merely a case of "Hey, wouldn't it be great to get yourself frozen!"
Dirk B.
user 9941666
London, GB
Post #: 119
The hypoxia thing is a moot point.
One of the major reasons I don't sign up for Cryonics (apart from the price) is the fact that you will likely have been dead for hours before you get frozen. In my opinion the optimum procedure involves suicide and freezing within minutes. That is not going to be legal here for some time.
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