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  • Please use your full name or first name and middle or last initial. We have so many Alex's, etc. we can't keep them straight and that might work against you. We understand you value your privacy but if you use a pseudonym you're likely to get marked as a no show or passed over for empty spots. And if your name is the same as many others, we may accidentally put that "other Alex" in to the event instead of you.

  • Please add a photo with your face to your profile. This really helps your organizers know who is who... and will help you, too. Not many of us look like models but that is fine. None of us look like trees, flowers or landmarks, either. If you are uncomfortable about putting your face in a photo, we understand. If you don't want to put your face, please choose a non-human image. By the way, your photo must be family friendly.

  • Please be courteous to your fellow night hawks by carefully reading over the meetup or calendar information before deciding to RSVP. We need your cooperation in gathering the details needed to make each event successful. Some events have access restrictions and fees so we need to have accurate counts.

  • Please make sure your "Yes" really is a Yes. We notice it when you say you're coming but don't show up - in fact we keep track and may bar you from attending future events. It hurts our feelings sad, deprives others of a chance and we are never quite sure if we will be able to head out to shoot for fear that we've left you behind. If you have an RSVP and realize you will not attend, please update your RSVP so that others may have a chance to take your spot and we will know we don't have to worry about you. We are also alarmed when you come without securing an RSVP angry or bring an undeclared guest.

  • When you attend an event please post one or two of your photographs. It doesn't have to be a masterpiece. Please don't post every picture you took! Seeing one another's work leads to more creative ideas.

  • Take a look at the Calendar and Message Boards. The calendar may contains events which are not meetups - but may be of interest (for example the dates and times of significant astronomical or cultural events like new moon, full moon, meteor showers, Fire Arts Festival, etc. If you know of photographically interesting events to add to the calendar, contact us with the details.

Our Meetup also has a link to a Flickr group for posting and discussing photos. If you want to post pictures to the Flickr group you must first identify yourself in the Meetup Membership discussion on Flickr.

Please TAKE THE POLLs to help us pick the best night for monthly meetings, and help us pick the topics you are interested in shooting or learning about.

Frequently Asked Questions
  • I'm on the wait list, can I come anyway?
    In a word, No. You are good to go only when you're a YES RSVP. The wait list is just that ... a place to WAIT in the hope that you will be selected in the lottery (if one) or that someone who has a place will give it up for you.

  • I'm a Yes RSVP can I bring a friend?
    If in your Yes RSVP you included your friend, sure. Otherwise you may be taking a seat, place, or reservation away from someone else. Do read the event description, however. If it says "non-photographers not counted as guests" then your significant other is welcome to carry your tripod, etc.

  • That's a big place, why restrict the RSVPs to only X people?
    There are MANY reasons to restrict the number of attendees. In most cases it is because the hosts know the capacity of the area. It may also be that the host knows that they can not shepherd more than the stated number of folks. If you really want to attend a hosted event that's full - volunteer to host the event on another day.

  • The event is in a public place why can't I go? Who is going to stop me?
    See the prior question. Picnic tables are in public places but no one we want to spend time with would go seat themselves at someone else's party "because it's public". Those who crash events will be recorded in the same way we record "no shows" and may eventually be banned from the group.

  • Can we hold that event on another day? (Instead of or addition to the planned day?)
    If you want to do it on another day then why not step up and make it so! But some of our events can ONLY be held on the posted day such as meteor showers, moon alignments, etc.

  • Can we do that somewhere else instead?
    See the prior answer. Is your proposed location convenient to restrooms, food, parking, and free of charge? Is the public permitted there? Are you willing to lead it?

  • Meetups are chronically full... how can I attend?
    First, don't be the kind of person that complains often and loudly. Second, be a supporter. Third, if you REALLY want to attend and don't have the patience to wait for an event with open spots become a HOST.

  • Will somebody pick me up / carpool with me / drop me off?
    State your need in the comments or in the message board... but be reasonable and be clear. Where SPECIFICALLY can you meet a carpool? Will you pay $5 per hour to the driver? Are you willing and able to drive? Is your pickup/drop off place convenient? Are you reliable? If you drive, how many can you take?

  • I notice that somebody else on the waiting list got in ahead of me - why?
    There are different kinds of waiting lists. Some lists are for gaining access to the event lottery. For paid events a reminder goes to everyone on the list and the first to sign up gets in. Most of the time we use a "Automatic" list where people are automatically moved to YES when there is space based on the order they RSVP'd. However there are many reasons why people may go ahead of you. A) If you declared a guest and there is only space for one additional person you'll be passed over. B) If you've failed to respond where requested, failed to pay, or have a history of no shows you may be skipped over. C) People who are supporters are often given preference to those who are not (see What's In a Title).

  • The event was just posted moments ago. How can it be full so fast?
    If you don't check the board regularly you may be the last to see the event. Often events are discussed and planned in the Discussion weeks and months in advance. Moreover, the host of the event may have pre-assigned people. And finally it's possible that the full capacity of the event will be decided after a lottery. Read the event description to be clear.

  • I was a Yes but a host or organizer changed me to a "No" - Why?
    Did you answer all of the questions (if any) at sign up? Did you comply with a deadline to send payment, a liability waiver or respond to an email? Do you have a history of being a no show? Does you profile include a real name and a photo? Is your name identical to someone else who has a checkered history? Did you sign up for two events at the same date and time, if so we reserve the right to drop you out of one or both events.

  • Can the host kick me out or pass me over for any reason at all?
    Yes. See the question above. Just as you are free to invite or exclude whomever you wish from your party the hosts are free to do so, too.

  • I was changed automatically to a "Yes" and didn't know it!
    If you join the waiting list you may automatically get moved to a yes if someone with a yes bows out or we find we can increase the attendance (e.g. more drivers, renegotiations with the park/business, etc.) If you are automatically moved to Yes and don't show, we still count it as a no-show.

  • Do you ever ban people from this group?
    If you frequently wander off topic, post abusive, profane or vulgar comments, stalk or otherwise make trouble you may be banned. If you keep marking yourself as Yes but never show we may ban you. If you make a habit of showing up without a Yes RSVP, we may ban you. If you whine and grumble we may purposefully omit you from events (nobody likes to be around whiners). If you frequently send private messages to the leadership asking for special treatment we may ban you. If you complain often enough or vociferously enough we may ban you. Depending on your conduct the ban may be permanent or temporary at the sole discretion of the leadership team. If banned your sole recourse is to: a. change your behavior and seek reinstatement, or b. find another community to annoy, we mean, join.

  • I have a great idea for an event, what should I do?
    Meetup made a mess of the website. We would have suggested you use the "Idea" page, but that doesn't exist anymore, so the best strategy is to create a discussion in the Message Board and see how much traction you get. Ideas that are fully fleshed out (dates, times, specifics) are more likely to catch on. Ideas like "lets shoot on a rooftop in San Francisco" or "let's go to Yosemite for a weekend" don't usually go far without specifics.

Table of Contents

Page title Most recent update Last edited by
Suggested Email settings (So you don't get SPAMed) March 26, 2013 9:29 PM Eric H.
Why Do I Have to Join A Waitlist April 1, 2013 6:11 PM Steven C.
Why Am I Marked as a No Show April 7, 2013 12:25 PM Meetup Helper (.
Why Should I Contribute March 15, 2012 1:21 PM Steven C.
You MUST Read This September 30, 2013 3:10 PM Steven C.
Meetup Changes Anger Community April 11, 2013 9:28 PM Steven C.
What's In a Title? Why Do Some People have them? November 30, 2012 6:03 PM Steven C.
About Bay Area Night Photography March 26, 2013 9:31 PM Eric H.

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