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RE: [philosophy-173] Re: Request for Info @ Meetup: Philosophy and the Singularity

From: Steve
Sent on: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:40 AM
Greg,
 
Response to you question regarding binary vs. neuronal computation:
 
This short video is intended to introduce the idea that binary state computation is fundamentally different than neuronal computation. They are able to solve similar problems, but their respective...  
 
 
Even more interesting is this:
 
DNA Phantom Effect ? Quantum effects on space and time
http://www.hydrogen2oxygen.net/tag/quantum-mechanic/
 
?In each set of experimental measurements with DNA samples, several double control measurements are performed. These measurements are performed prior to the DNA being placed in the scattering chamber. When the scattering chamber of the LPCS is void of physical DNA, and neither are there are any phantom DNA fields present, the autocorrelation function of scattered light looks like the one shown in Figure 2a. This typical control plot represents only background random noise counts of the photomultiplier. Figure 2b demonstrates a typical time autocorrelation function when a physical DNA sample is placed in the scattering chamber, and typically has the shape of an oscillatory and slowly exponentially decaying function. When the DNA is removed from the scattering chamber, one anticipates that the autocorrelation function will be the same as before the DNA was placed in the scattering chamber. Surprisingly and counter-intuitively it turns out that the autocorrelation function measured just after the removal of the DNA from the scattering chamber looks distinctly different from the one obtained before the DNA was placed in the chamber. After duplicating this many times and checking the equipment in every conceivable way, we were forced to accept the working hypothesis that some new field structure is being excited from the physical vacuum. We termed this the DNA phantom in order to emphasize that its origin is related with the physical DNA. We have found that, as long as the space in the scattering chamber is not disturbed, we are able to measure this effect for long periods of time. In several cases we have observed it for up to a month. It is important to emphasize that two conditions are necessary in order to observe the DNA phantoms. The first is the presence of the DNA molecule and the second is the exposure of the DNA to weak coherent laser radiation. This last condition has been shown to work with two different frequencies of laser radiation.
 
Perhaps the most important finding of these experiments is that they provide an opportunity to study the vacuum substructure on strictly scientific and quantitative grounds. This is possible due to the phantom field?s intrinsic ability to couple with conventional electromagnetic fields.?
 
Steve
 
-----Original Message-----
From: [address removed] [mailto:[address removed]]On Behalf Of Greg
Sent: Thursday, March 11,[masked]:49 AM
To: [address removed]
Subject: [philosophy-173] Re: Request for Info @ Meetup: Philosophy and the Singularity

Steve,

Instead of sending this to you, I have addressed this email to the group mailing list in hopes that others will contribute to our discussion.

After reviewing my first email about it I can see that I may not be making what I'm asking clear.   Please bear with me while I try again...

The important thing about a repeated electric discharge through protoplasm is that the path it follows tends to be the same.  If I remember correctly what Robert Pula said, with more repetitions it appears to re-enforce the likelihood that it will follow the same path.  This suggests that this may be basically how the physiology of memory or learning works. 

I'm not sure that I understood all of the video that you showed on the difference between digital and organic data processing.  Where could I find it?

Greg

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:54 PM, New Meetup Message <[address removed]> wrote:
Steve sent you this message from Plato's Cave - The Orlando
Philosophy Meetup Group on Meetup:

"Greg,

At the Meetup, we didn't get much of a chance to see where you
were going with your comment about electric discharge, but here
are my thoughts:

Definition: Protoplasm  - The complex, semi-fluid, translucent
substance that constitutes the living matter of plant and
animal cells and manifests the essential life functions of a
cell. Composed of proteins, fats, and other molecules suspended
in water, it includes the nucleus and cytoplasm.

I trained in electronics in the Navy which means I had courses
in basic E & E as well as training in advanced weapon
electronic systems. As I understand, electricity flows fairly
consistently through homogeneous substances like copper wires
or metals. That's because of the conductivity and the
  consistent alignment of atoms and molecules in materials like
metals. Protoplasm is heterogeneous, inconsistent and
dynamically complex. It is usually lumpy and multivariate. So,
when an electromotive potential is applied, protoplasm becomes
even more dynamically complex due to heat and ion action among
other processes. The same thing happens in the atmosphere when
polarities form causing lightning. It is impossible to predict
the exact path of lightning due to the complex dynamics within
the atmosphere. So even if you apply the same charge to the
same two points over and over again in protoplasm or the
atmosphere, you change the conditions (heat, ions, density,
etc.) with each discharge making the exact path unpredictable.
There are likely quantum effects as well making the system too
complex and random to predict with perfect precision.

Cheers,
Steve
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Steve,

At yesterday's Meetup: Philosophy and the Singularity I made a
request to the group for more information on an assertion that
"a repeated electric discharge through protoplasm will tend to
follow an apparently random path".   As I remember, you said
something to the effect that you would like to say something
about it, but declined to do so at that moment.   Would you be
so kind as to do so now?

Best Regards
Greg Pettengill"

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