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Deconverting Multilevel Marketing and Network Marketing victims

A former member
Post #: 174
I made a connection this week with a guy. We talked about Multilevel Marketing and Network Marketing (MLM) scams schemes and pyramids. Do you have any suggestions on how to reason with him? Clever concepts to bring up, clever questions to ask etc?

I met a gentleman yesterday who pitched me a business opportunity. I told him I was skeptical. Before he even told me anything about it, I could see it coming and began to talk about MLM in general terms. How they are set up like scams. I referenced lottery's and casino's and how they are a tax on people who can't do math etc. I explained my personal experience and research on the matter.

He said he was skeptical as well, but began to explain all the convincing reasons that had persuaded him. He was a sincere person who was bright and educated. He just didn't have the intellectual tools or training to defend himself from the meme of MLM. It can be emotionally intriguing. I have to admit that. I hit him with this question:

What sort of information would you need to learn, in order for you to realize that your business opportunity is fraudulent, dishonorable or plain wrong?

We chatted, and I explained to him that many sincere people are hijacked by very bad ideas all the time. Religions, casino's, lottery's, pyramid schemes, ponzi schemes etc. Some ideas and organizations are more preposterous and ludicrous than others and some have more sinister effects on you/your families long term health. For instance 'suicide bombing' or the 'heaven's gate cult' definitely will upset your future. My proposition was that if you decide to get on any sort of major train ride like that, you have to have an exit strategy. A sort of emergency brake or escape route. What if you got duped? What if you are heading for ruin? What would you need to know to get off? What would be 'evidence' that you are wrong? You can't rely on anyone else to be reasonable for you, history's graves are filled with people who joined up and died without ever snapping themselves out of their delusions.

Anyway, we are in contact. Any suggestions will be used. I will offer feedback on the success.

I am referring him to Brian Dunning's Skeptoid Podcast Episodes


Network marketing
http://skeptoid.com/a...­

Bend over and own your own business
http://skeptoid.com/a...­

Monavie fruit juices
http://skeptoid.com/a...­





A former member
Post #: 176
Another great video.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-215989802739458876#­

This is a Dateline NBC expose on Quixtar which used to be Amway. The king of Multilevel marketing and network marketing pyramid scheme businesses. Very well done.
A former member
Post #: 177

Here are some more videos we will be using tonight in the presentation. For future reference:


Pyramid Schemes 1 of 2 (2 44 - 5 19 has an explanation on Pyramid Schemes)
http://www.youtube.co...­

King of Queens MLM Parody 3 38 minutes long
http://www.youtube.co...­





Quixtar Dateline NBC Fraud Exposed 21 minute video together FLV Video
http://video.google.c...­








Quixtar Dateline NBC Fraud Exposed 1 Same as above but on youtube 1/2
http://www.youtube.co...­

Quixtar Dateline NBC Fraud Exposed 2 Same as above but on youtube 2/2
http://www.youtube.co...­
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