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11/28/12 questions and discussion

From: Jon A.
Sent on: Sunday, December 2, 2012 5:15 AM
11/28/12 questions and discussion

1-how much privacy do we need?5
2-is it true that all poor people would prefer handouts even if they wouldn’t admit it?3
3-can technology even be limited?


how much privacy do we need?

Jon: I ask this question because it appears that more people are getting caught doing illegal or stupid things because of technology. Whether it's texting, or "sexting" from powerful congressmen to teen pages, or emails from America's spymaster to his girlfriend. Yes, those guys were stupid, but without a technology that can be retrieved easily, they wouldn't get caught. Think about the Anthony Weiner pictures he sent via his cell phone. Dude! Once that stuff goes out onto the Web, it is there forever! So how much privacy ought we expect to enjoy? Potentially, we will (or already) have none. Could we get comfortable living without our secrets, without our privacy?

Eric: why be concerned about privacy? I’m less concerned about my privacy now than I was when I was younger.

Ben: loss of privacy is a huge loss. Petraeus shouldn’t have to worry about it interfering in his work.

Jon: I have a co-worker who's ex-military. He assumes sexual relationships outside of marriage or dating are all security threats. 

Rachel: Clinton’s cover up was worse than the sex he had with Monica.

Eric: Clinton gets credit for eventually admitting it.

Mike: the Catholic Church, like the military, is highly organized and has worked hard to conceal its sex crimes. I’m struck by the "circle the wagons" stuff. Clinton was always known as a womanizer. When he got caught he did it on company time so it was very much a part of his work, not separate. Yet, he gets through it and becomes even more popular! Normally I would think Petraeus should quit but I think there should be some -- he made a fool of himself -- he felt entitled.

Jon: military rape is, apparently, a regular event.

Siva: sex scandals in the military is endemic because officers have no incentive to stop. Only when an officer does something other than sex that his superiors don’t like do the sex crimes arise. As to privacy and technology, I work with computer security. Most people don’t use security software. Computer security is entirely possible.

Jon: working as I do on buses, if someone wanted to catch me doing something wrong it would be easy. There are around 5 or 6 cameras covering all of the inside of our buses, even one aimed out the front window. There are hundreds of drivers, though, so someone in the organization would need a personal agenda to "get me", but it remains possible.  

Siva: technology doesn’t disallow maintaining privacy it gives technically knowledgeable people an advantage.

Mike: I'm told there are about 50,000 outdoor/public cameras in London. If someone is wronged falsely, how do they get justice? How does one get out from under such a cloud? And images and sounds can now be faked.

Jon: spying on others has always been happening, it's just that technology increasingly seems to make it possible to watch us do everything. I suspect that, if one had the financial and technical resources they could watch any one of us every minute of every day.


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