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Skeletal Remains Found Near Red Rock

Dino
DinoVegas
North Las Vegas, NV
Post #: 391
"LAS VEGAS -- Metro officers scaled hundreds of feet down a canyon wall Friday to retrieve more of the skeletal remains found near Red Rock Conservation Area.

Metro police officers Adrian Crandall and James Rogan had just inches to spare as they navigated a sheer cliff face known by local mountain hikers as "Prince of Darkness."

"There's not much room for error up there. It's 6, 7, 800 feet up," said Officer Crandall who added that he doesn't get nervous. "We do this all the time. I've been doing this for 11 years. Just another day at the office."

Human remains were found by a hiker on the Black Velvet Canyon trail Thursday afternoon. It took until Friday morning for Metro Search and Rescue to recover the remains safely. The officers needed to rappel off the side of the cliff another 100 feet from the spot where the helicopter dropped them off.

Hikers tell 8 News NOW that the steep terrain can be difficult.

"Everybody out here hikes usually on the mountain bike trails and the horse trails. If you get off the trails without a compass and knowing where you're going, you'd be in trouble," said Don Beach who often hikes the area.

Police found parts of a spine, skull, ribs, and a variety of other bones along with some cloth. "What appears to be the clothes the person was wearing. The bones ended up being in the shirt and pants on their own," said Officer Crandall.

Metro believes the remains belong to a hiker and given the location do not believe it is a homicide. It's too early to know the age or gender of the person.

"There's family, there's people wondering what exactly happened," said Sgt. Gavin Vesp, Metro.

"You always feel good when you can help somebody out or close a chapter in a book. There's definitely some family members out there," said Officer Crandall, Metro.

Metro says 2010 is no more or less busy for them than previous years. They've done around 150 hiker rescues and recoveries this year
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A former member
Post #: 176
This is an example of how the news media can not get simple facts straight. If you really read the story, you can spot contradictions throughout.
Actually virtually no one hikes the trails, which are boring. Black Velvet Canyon is home to Black Velvet Peak, East Peak, the Monument, Hidden Peak and Whiskey Peak. None of the peaks have trails.
Brian T.
BrianTallarico
Issaquah, WA
Post #: 51
I'm wondering why no abandoned car was ever found to alert authorities that someone didn't make it back from their hike? If the person was out there alone, where did their car go? If they were out there with a buddy, where did their buddy go? Is there another body out there somewhere? Did someone just leave their buddy out there? This is all just so mysterious!
Bill M.
user 10004524
Las Vegas, NV
Post #: 5
I think that Brian has a valid point. It seems that there are several hypothetical scenarios, given the preliminary information surrounding this discovery. Wouldn’t there have been a missing persons report filed, when someone didn’t return? The only circumstances that I can think of in which there would be no report filed would be if the body was that of a homeless person or drifter who was living in the mountains and had no local human contacts. Or perhaps the bones belong to that of a suicide victim who did not want to be found, so purposely hid his/her agenda from friends or family. Of course, homicide seems like a possibility simply because that is another example in which any loved ones or friends filing a report would have no reason to think that the victim was in the mountains. And lastly, the deceased could have been a solo technical climber/ scrambler, who simply fell and died in the course of scaling a vertical wall, but as Brian stated, wouldn’t there be an abandoned vehicle whose owner could be identified through license and registration records? It is indeed all very mysterious. Maybe the forensics lab made a major error, and the bones are that of a bighorn sheep.
Letty Kimes (silly...
user 10555096
Las Vegas, NV
Post #: 10
The news said today not human remains ...
Doug C.
user 3964869
Las Vegas, NV
Post #: 104
I haven't read the latest, but the text did state they found a skull. Surely these highly trained individuals can spot the subtle differences such as horns, for example.
Brian T.
BrianTallarico
Issaquah, WA
Post #: 52
They apparently found two sets of remains, one set was human, the other was not.

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Kim
KimHikingLV
Las Vegas, NV
Post #: 66
BREAKING NEWS: Bones Found at Red Rock Identified
LAS VEGAS -- The remains found at Red Rock National Conservation Area have been identified as 54-year-old John Rosholt of Scottsdale, Arizona.
The Clark County Coroners office was not able to determine the cause of
death or when Rosholt died.
Hikers found Rosholt's bones last week at Black Velvet Canyon.

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Travis
user 10023378
Las Vegas, NV
Post #: 6
And again, media misinformation hard at work. Thanks for posting the ST link, but for the short version:

John was known as "Gambler John" and was an extremely competent climber, who happened to make his living playing poker. He put up a hell of a lot of routes in Red Rock and elsewhere, most in the 5.10-5.12c range.

Climbers, not hikers, found his remains on a ledge high above the trails. John had been missing for over 5 years, and most local climbers that knew him thought he had been robbed and killed.

He was scoping out new lines in Black Velvet around this time and had been known to free solo a lot (no ropes, partner or protective gear.) So, there is a very good chance he was out soloing and fell.

I crossed paths with him a couple times years ago, but can't say that I knew him. But the guy was a bit of a legend in climbing, and it's a damn shame this happened. But at least now his sister can have some closure. RIP.
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