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Re: [atheists-8] Christian Fundamentalism & The Current State of the Union

From: C.J.
Sent on: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:52 AM
Well, there's 6 billion complex individuals on the planet (or somewhat complex anyway) so we may want to be careful about stereotyping them all so easily.
Not all of Palin's supporters are mindless or even stupid; some simply have legitimate policy issues in common, abortion, oil, etc. I don't support her personally but to assume all her supporters are sheep might be unwise and unfair.
I'd like to say that I think that being "reasonable" and "intelligent" will probably always be so far out of what is considered a social norm that it will usually be considered deviant to express. They'll get labeled as elitist, professorial, and all sorts of other dirty words for "that guys smarter than me and I don't like it."
I guess those few who are superior intellectually threaten the masses and the masses tend to kill these people... A quick glance through any history book of any time period tends to reveal this.  On the other hand if the majority of people were high IQ'd "Thinkers," I'm not so sure after a little "thought" they wouldn't justify the extermination of stupid people all together...
Smart people can be just as evil as dumb people,,,
The difference is; smart people know they're being evil. 
Having said that; I'd sure like to give'em a chance for a while.

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Joy <[address removed]> wrote:
Sorry to be so pessimistic, but that Great Middle Mass of Americans are such stupid sheep. Whoever is in power -- no matter how they got into power -- those sheep will mindlessly emulate, to one degree or another. An idea the Top Person has that even used to be distasteful will be, again mindlessly, revisited, and somehow it doesn't seem distasteful anymore. 

And since such a large % of Americans are already more religious than people in the rest of the civilized world, it's not a far trek for them to accept things like Sarah Palin's pastor doing that laying-on-of-hands or even his past activities like running a woman out of town as a "witch" responsible for traffic accidents.

Only good thing about that is that if we finally get an intelligent, reasonable person in the White House, then suddenly intelligence and reason will be back in favor...


On Oct 14, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Norm wrote:

Many don't seem to be able to see a definite connection between the two. We have had a Christian Fundamentalist President going on eight years. Creationism/Intelligent Design has flourished, threatening our children's education. More money has been funneled to Christian groups via the Faith-base Initiative. Basic Constitutional rights have been threatened. The involvement of religion in politics has increased. An atheist, a national hero, was killed in Iraq by suspicious friendly fire. The list goes on and on.

Now, let's look at some of the other issues that don't seem to be related to Christian Fundamentalism, like the economy. What it all comes down to is mindsets. Most Christian Fundamentalists are out of touch with reality. When a crisis presents itself, their reactions frequently are the reactions of someone who doesn't have the proper education/knowledge/incentive to handle a crisis. A good example might be the New Orleans fiasco. Many of the appointees of the Current Administration were graduates of religious universities, like Liberty. Also, one should not forget the Armageddon mindset. If one really believes that some deity is going to save the faithful while destroying everything else, their perception of problem and the solution is very likely to be tainted with fantasy. Being in a position of power certainly enables these fanatics to bring the world to the brink of disaster.

Many events that have occurred over the last eight years are suspect to manipulation such as the changing of the bankruptcy laws, allowing unsecured loans afterwards, outsourcing American jobs, Bush's relationship to the Enron Fiasco, close ties to the Bin Laden family, the relationship of oil in the 911 attack, the suspected knowledge of the 911 plot by the current Administration, and the availability of the knowledge of the attackers before 911.

The point is that whether or not you think that all these occurrences are all related, some are and others are suspect. Additionally, this is the first time that a Religious Fundamentalist has taken over the White House and here we are now in this state. Some may argue that Former President Reagan was a fundamentalist. Maybe to some degree, but not to the same degree as the current Administration. I think that former President Reagan was playing the John Wayne fantasy rather then the fantasy of the End Gamers.

Can you help stop this slide into the fantasyland of the End Gamers? Send me a private email if you need to know how.

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