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We're seeking to build a group of thinking people with diverse outlooks and perspectives to share, and do not mind being challenged. We welcome opinions and voices from different parts of the political spectrum and varying backgrounds. We're not afraid of discussing controversial topics honestly, respectfully, and passionately--Let's learn from each other. Come and let's share the fun of digging deeper into issues dear to your heart, and think about the state of the world, humanity, and community.
Towards the goal of creating and maintaining a community that is engaged, productive, civil, fun and open to new ideas and ways of thinking, we have some ground rules. And those who don't follow these ground rules will be asked to move on.
- This group is for lively conversation, and for learning and understanding different outlooks and points of view. It is not a conversation group aimed at winning an argument, or proselytizing an ideology. The objective is exploration, not confrontation.
- Although this is certainly a social--and sociable--group, it is basically for conversations about values and philosophy. Each meeting topic is intended to frame a discussion around some interesting ideas and core values. Sidelining these conversations with personal stories, sidebar conversations, and anecdotes reduces the value and enjoyment that everyone else gets from the group.
- Don't interrupt. Don't talk over other people. Don't roll your eyes. Let people finish their thought before jumping in.
- We try to keep the group to a size that can conduct good conversation about deep and interesting topics (generally 8 - 12, depending on topic, venue, and the like). People who repeatedly RSVP and no-show, or cancel at the last minute disrupt the group--we almost always have a waiting list, and is generally disrespectful to everyone else.
- No conspiracy theories!
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We'd like to extend special thanks to David G., the organizer of the Civilized Conversation of San Diego for granting us the right to use the name, 'Civilized Conversation'. David has also graciously given us the permission to borrow their past topics to help launch our new group. We look forward to our continued collaboration and sharing of stimulating ideas and events.
Upcoming events
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Designing a Humane Society in the Age of AI
Huntington Beach, CA, USThroughout history, societies have faced technological leaps that promised efficiency and progress. The printing press unsettled authority. The industrial revolution reorganized labor and family life. Nuclear science forced humanity to confront its own capacity for destruction. Each time, the deeper issue was not technology itself, but the moral imagination surrounding it. Now, we're facing another of these paradigm shifts with the emergence of AI.
This is where the conversation gets especially important — because historically, every wave of automation has both eliminated and created jobs. The question is not whether new jobs emerge. It’s whether they emerge fast enough, broadly enough, and meaningfully enough to preserve dignity and stability.
Economists often point to “creative destruction — the idea that capitalism constantly destroys old industries while creating new ones. The hopeful argument says: AI will eliminate tasks, not jobs — and entirely new categories of work will arise. But this time may be different in scale and speed. Unlike previous automation waves, AI reaches into white-collar cognitive work, not just manual labor. That's new.The Moral Fork in the Road
There are two dominant narratives:
Market Optimism or Structural Risk- Markets will adapt. New jobs will replace old ones. Disruption is temporary
- OR
- AI could displace labor faster than new sectors can absorb it, increasing inequality and instability unless policy intervenes
Both may be partly true. But the humane society question is not “Will jobs come back?”
It’s: How do we protect dignity during transition — whether or not they do?Do we as a country have the moral imagination to manage AI in a way that contributes to a moral society? Artificial intelligence is no longer speculative. It is infrastructural. So we ask:
- When decisions become automated, who remains morally responsible?
- When productivity increases, who benefits?
- When human interaction can be simulated, what happens to empathy?
- When efficiency becomes the highest value, what happens to dignity?
A humane society is not defined by how intelligent its machines become — but by how fiercely it protects human dignity, agency, and connection while those machines evolve. For those of us who are already concerned about democratic erosion, dehumanizing rhetoric, and widening inequality, AI can feel like either an amplifier of injustice, or a tool that could free human energy for care, creativity, and civic life.
The core humane principle:- People should not lose housing, food, or healthcare because machines become more efficient.
Can income remain tied to labor?
For most of modern history, income has been tied to labor. If work hours shrink dramatically (or become unavailable), tying survival to wages becomes destabilizing. We will have to figure out how a humane society could maintain security, dignity, and civic vitality if AI reduces traditional work hours — and to identify what kind of cultural and policy commitments would be required. Humane options often discussed include:- Universal basic income (UBI)
- Guaranteed minimum income
- Negative income tax
- Expanded Social Security–style universal benefits
- Universal basic services (healthcare, housing, education, transport)
Experiments in places like Stockton, CA and countries like Finland have tested income guarantees with mixed but informative results.
- California Program Giving $500 No-Strings-Attached Stipends Pays Off, Study Finds
- Finland – Universal Basic Income Pilot : Wellbeing Economy Alliance
Bodies such as European Union are experimenting with regulatory frameworks around AI deployment. Whether in the U.S. or elsewhere, democratic deliberation must shape:
- Pace of automation.
- Worker protections
- Distribution mechanisms
- Ethical boundaries
Otherwise, reduced labor becomes reduced power. For us who are already concerned about democratic erosion, dehumanizing rhetoric, and widening inequality, AI can feel like either:
- an amplifier of injustice
- OR
- a tool that could free human energy for care, creativity, and civic life
Share AI-generated productivity gains broadly?
If AI drastically increases output, wealth concentration could intensify unless actively redistributed. Humane mechanisms might include:- Stronger progressive taxation
- Data dividends (citizens compensated for data use)
- Public ownership stakes in high-impact AI infrastructure
- Worker representation in AI deployment decisions
Without intentional redistribution, reduced work could mean reduced stability rather than expanded freedom.
Redefine “contribution”
One of the greatest dangers is not economic collapse — it’s existential displacement. If paid work declines, a humane society must elevate:- Caregiving & mental health
- Civic engagement
- Creative arts
- Mentorship
- Local organizing
- Lifelong learning
We already undervalue these forms of contribution because they don’t generate GDP. AI could force a cultural reckoning.
Protect social belonging
Work provides more than income:- Structure
- Identity
- Social contact
- A sense of usefulness
Reduced hours require intentional creation of:
- Community hubs
- Intergenerational spaces
- Civic forums
- Cooperative projects
Without these, reduced work could produce isolation rather than flourishing.
The Central Tension
There are two very different futures:
Scenario A:
Work declines → income declines → inequality rises → social fragmentation deepens.
Scenario B:
Work declines → time increases → income stabilizes → civic and relational life expands.
Technology alone doesn’t determine which path we take.Policy, culture, and political will do.Questions for thought and discussion
So tonight’s conversation is not technical. It’s ethical and relational.- What parts of being human feel non-negotiable?
- Where would you draw a line and say, “This should never be automated”?
- How do we remain morally awake in systems designed for speed?
- And perhaps most importantly: how do we avoid becoming either naïve enthusiasts or cynical fatalists?
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Past events
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