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Re: [humanism-174] "The Bible" on History Channel

From: Tim C.
Sent on: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:53 AM
There is an excellent book out by Stephen Hunter (THE THIRD BULLET) that gives a plausible yet completely fictional look at the JFK assassination through the eyes of a world-class sniper (the also fictional Bob Lee Swagger).  There IS a conspiracy, but it is a small conspiracy in that only a few individuals are involved, not a huge one in which Lyndon Johnson, Fidel Castro, the KGB, the CIA, and the Mafia all work together to help LHO make an impossible shot. 
 
As for WTC-9/11, omission is NOT evidence of conspiracy.  Certain actions that would be SOP when dealing with MOST crimes, may be virtually impossible when dealing with something as enormous as 9/11.  However, pretty much everyone with a badge or a lab coat was involved in investigating the attack and while Bush and Cheney certainly used the attack to further their empire-building agenda (or more likely Cheney's agenda!), I doubt that either of them had the capability or the minions needed to pull this off.  There was also a great degree of incompetence on the part of a number of people on whom such a giant conspiracy would be dependent.  Inattentive FBI agents and airport security people either must be part of the conspiracy or are counted on to be inattentive or incompetent.  Essentially, Bush and Cheney would be betting their lives and fortunes on 7 in the red. 
 
To equate the low-level WWII program of syphilis infecting with what would have had to have been a top-down conspiracy with almost no real upside (the case for WMD in Iraq could have been made eventually or really did not even need to be made--a fighter jet manning the no-fly zone being shot down could have provided an excuse to move against Saddam)  and a big big downside (electric chair for treason). 
 
Cheney is dishonest, ambitious, and amoral if not immoral, but he is not stupid.  The risk in trying to execute such an operation would far outweigh the benefits.  Again, for the benefit of the simpletons, neither Cheney nor Bush could execute such an operation on their own.  Neither could set up Al-Quaida and bin Ladin to take the fall let alone do the deed.  And do you really think that as the shit flowed downhill, pretty much everyone in its path would not be jumping out of the way ("hello, Mr Woodward or Ms Dowd or whoever, my name is such and such; I work for the CIA, NSA, or whoever, and I need to talk to you about something that is being planned that is beyond evil.").
 
I see no reason to go into any more detail on this subject, Loons are not going to be dissuaded from their poorly conceived and almost certainly logistically impossible notions.
 
That Mr. Orel is now riding in Rus's crazycar is not surprising, but is certainly disappointing.  Yes, you are both crazy, or at the very least, not very good at seeing large pictures.
 
Tim Campbell
 
In a message dated 3/12/2013 7:41:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [address removed] writes:
The higher up a conspiracy originates, the more people are required to execute it. The more people involved, the less chance of the conspiracy remaining secret. Hard enough to get three or four people to cooperate in committing a major crime. Do you two loons have any clue how many people and the scale of logistics required to pull off a 9/11?
Sometimes a gift is just a gift.
Mr orel is right that rus drives on the crazy side of the street. He does not realize that he is also riding in the car.



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From: [address removed]
To: humanism-174 <[address removed]>
Sent: Mon, Mar 11,[masked]:35 pm
Subject: Re: [humanism-174] "The Bible" on History Channel

You should see what they are 'not' doing with artificially constructed life forms. lol


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Mark R. Orel <[address removed]> wrote:
Russell: 


I'm sorry but you are crazy.  The WTC is a closed book. 
Didn't you read the first Final Report in 2002, or the
second Final Report in 2008, and now it isn't even
being called the "Final Report" last up-dated June
2012.  Don't you understand that it just doesn't matter
that no forensic tests of any type were conducted on
any of the aircraft, or buildings.  Why can't you accept
the computer models as sited in the report. The report(s)
clearly state that these are the "probable" sequences. 
Why do you want to be in a group of Architects, Fire Fighters,
Police, and medical personal?  What the hell is wrong with
You? 

I mean conspiracies aren't real.  I mean it isn't like we would
ever infect our own people with syphilis (http://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm). 
And who in their right mind would ever think a county like ours
would ever be involved in  "False Flag" operations? 
Like we would ever allow one of our allies like Israel to
bomb one of our own ships (http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html).
Or like we would try a coup d'état of a democratically elected government
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat)?

And just because the Presidency is more powerful now than
any other time in this counties history, and we have nothing
but cowards in Congress who are more concerned about
being re-elected rather than defending the Constitution, to
which they swore, what is there to worry about?  It's not like the
President would ever consider the use of an unmanned aircraft
to kill an American citizen on U.S. soil, without any kind of
over-site.  

It's not like Congress picks the people, there are no safe
Congressional seats, especially in Ohio, just look at the
map, http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/OH, it
allows for free and fair elections. 

I'm sorry Russell, but come on...I mean get real and stick your
head back in the ground like the rest of us.  I'm sorry for being
so hard on you, but you did ask for it. 


M. Orel  

On[masked]:29, Russell Stanton wrote:
Tim and Greg -   I suppose you’ll be willing to agree I have some justification for speaking on behalf of conspiracy theorists.   Obviously you have very limited understanding of them (or us). Especially since these days of the internet,  particularly youtube,  all this inside knowledge you mentioned is not secret.   Of course there is plenty of exagerated or purely fabricated balderdash that gets emailed around too much.    There are always low-information/ low-ethics individuals in every segment of society what can we ever do about things like THAT problem.    Most “conspiracists” fully understand that our ability to protect ourselves from the conspiracies is very limited, and that our best protection will only come from wider acceptance and understanding of those conspiracies (whichever ones are actually true).    Which brings me to the fact that the sincere conspiracy theorists  are only in search of the truth and finding ways to inspire more people also search for it,  instead of  simply accepting everything the mainstream media tells us, without question.    It’s not intrigue that’s swirling above our (or your) heads that concerns us,   it’s the truth swirling up there, which is so unknown and so rejected by most Americans  that we obsess about.     It’s people like you who are so enslaved to your prejudices and paradigms about what to believe/ disbelieve that worries  me.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Let’s dive directly into one of the hottest conspiracy theories -  the one about what caused the WTC buildings to fall.     Do you believe everything Bush and Cheney and their 9-11 so called investigators said we should believe?    What about Richard Gage and the 1,500 other credentialed  experts who agree with him that the three WTC buildings weren’t destroyed by just two airliners -   do you think every one of them is lying to us?  do they all have some shady subversive agenda causing them to wager their reputations on this craziness?    Here’s a link to their website in case you’d like  to  explain how all the things they say are lies or hallucinations or otherwize untrue:  http://www.ae911truth.org/.   And then  if you have enough curiosity to look,  you might get some good insights from   someone who made a 6 minute youtube  particularly about you who seem to get psychological benefits from  ridiculing people who have differing beliefs from the ones you have.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         Rus                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
"Cherish your doubts for doubt is the attendant of truth; it is the
> servant of discovery. Truth, if it be truth, arises from each testing
> stronger" -- Robert T. Weston





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