Mathew,
It is FAR MORE than just "
likely that some global warming
denialism is anchored in religious beliefs" as you put it.
In fact global warming denialism is a loose unholy-holy alliance
between the "carbon industry" and religious fundamentalists. And
although most funding is from the former, the impact of the latter
is not to be underestimated. For instance, Rep. John Shimkus (Rep,
Ill) is an influential majority member of the United States House
Committee on Energy and Commerce, and the chairman of it's
Subcommittee on Environment and Economy. Watch in horror as he
expounds his learned opinion on global warming to that very
important committee on March 25, 2009...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5yNZ1U37sE
It is speeches like this that should send a chill down any
secularist's back and put global warming firmly on the agenda of
any secularist organization.
Martin.
On 09/05/[masked]:24 AM, Mathew Goldstein wrote:
Any policies that cannot
be reasonably justified on secular grounds, which would
usually include the policy agendas opposed by the NCSE,
can be considered non-secular. It is likely that some
global warming denialism is anchored in religious
beliefs, although much of the financing behind that
movement has been documented to come from wealthy
individuals and corporations who work in polluting
industries. Since both the religious right and industry
linked opponents of regulations against pollution tend
to associate themselves with the same political party
they have an incentive to try to share their policy
agendas. Targeting global warming denialism is
not what I have in mind, however, and solar panel regulation is
a few steps removed from global warming denialism. Even
the NCSE takes no stance on solar panel regulations or
the availability of reproduction options.
One of the reasons for keeping the focus on religious
privileging by government is that most other policy issues
already have a broad constituency with established and
well funded advocacy groups, but those constituencies are
often not entirely secularist. So those advocacy groups
tend to shy away from advocating against government
privileging of religion. With this particular policy
specialization there will be opportunities for coalitions
with other groups, but the coalitions will change
depending on the particular issue. For example, when the
focus is protecting child health from laws facilitating
the practice of faith "healing" by parents on their
children then the potential partner groups can include
health and child welfare oriented organizations, whereas
when the focus is government sponsored discrimination
against non-theists then the potential partner groups can
include civil rights oriented organizations, etc.
On Sep 4, 2013, at 11:57 PM, Don Wharton <[address removed]>
wrote:
This is an excellent list of secular
issues. However, is does raise a great many
questions about what is included or should be
included.
The NCSE has chosen to go after global
warming denialism as a central issue. I agree
with them that the deniers on this issue are a
major menace to conducting science and should
be included on the list of concerns that we
share. My recollection of your problems with
NCSE have nothing to do with this issue of
science.
Solar energy, properly supported, can
be the least expensive source of energy. The
installed costs in Germany is about $2 per
peak watt. If we accept the science on global
warming a logical conclusion is that we should
as a matter of science be very supportive of
renewable energy.
It seems to me that women's
reproductive rights (including access to
abortion services) are under relentless attack
from the religious right. This list does not
seem to include this as an issue of central
importance to them.
Obviously, there are many more issues
not specified on this list that may or may not
be included if we start with science and logic
as foundational concerns.
Don
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Mathew Goldstein <[address removed]>
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Sent:
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Subject:
Re: [atheists-27] Secular Values???
I favor the agenda of the
Secular Coalition of America
(SCA) as shown below. This
requires adopting the
discipline of keeping the
focus exclusively on opposing
government privileging of
religion. This means avoiding
taking positions on most
current issues and as a
result this agenda can be
adopted by people having
opposing political party
affiliations. Topics
like free wi-fi, marijuana
legalization, solar energy
regulation, vegetarianism, and
the like would be off of our
group agenda. This is not
because those are not
important issues, it's because
we as a group will commit to
promoting secularism. Here is
an outline of some of the
issues that such a specialized
focus entails:
- Health
and Safety: The
health and safety of
an individual should
not be compromised by
the religious beliefs
of another person or
group.
- Education: Children
should not be
subjected to religious
education or exercises
in our public schools.
- Tax
Policy: Religious
organizations and
individuals should not
be exempt from the
requirements and
restrictions of tax
policy.
- Discrimination: Personal
religious beliefs do
not justify
prejudicial actions
that violate
discrimination laws.
- Government
Actions: The
government and
officials acting in
their government
capacity, should not
endorse religious
beliefs, one religion
over another or
religion over
non-religion.
- Military: The
taxpayer funded U.S.
military must serve
the beliefs of all
service members
without privileging
one belief over
another.
- International: Even
abroad, U.S.
government funds,
policies, or actions
should not endorse
religion.
On Sep 4, 2013, at 9:55 PM,
Don Wharton <[address removed]>
wrote:
I have proposed the
following as the
broad topic for our
discussion group
this Friday.
A
secular world view
creates a strong
motivation toward
the use of science
and logical
thinking to define
the cultural
assumptions of our
secular group. We
do not have the
'word of God' to
abort the use of the
more effective
tools to understand
our universe. A good
general question is
what
can we assume to be
shared among other
secular members of
our
community by virtue
of our shared world
view? There is
general
support for
evolution, the
science of global
warming, standard
scientific notions
of cosmology,
effective sex
education in our
schools and gay
rights to name some
of the more obvious.
In each of
these areas the
religious right
makes Bible based
claims that
directly contradict
what is
scientifically
known. As a
community, I
do not think that
atheism is
intrinsically left
leaning at all. We
will vote more with
the liberal left
just because so much
of the
right is based on
appalling
anti-science lunacy.
What other values
can
we assume to be
shared in our
secular community?
While it seems that
we have decent
general support for
feminism in our
local community,
it is most certainly
not unanimous.
Religious
communities often
strongly support not
having any children
until marriage.
Science
very much confirms
the notion that
outcomes for
children are better
if there are two
adults sharing the
child rearing.
Single parenthood
is increasingly
accepted in our
secular community.
Given the
conflict with the
data from science,
should this be the
case? What
about the broad area
labeled social
justice?
The Atheism+
movement
is seen by some as
being divisive
because it seeks to
include values
such as feminism.
Their reply is that
the secular movement
is
strengthened by
expanding the
understanding of
secularism to
include
values that we
wished to see
expressed. We once
had a regular member
of our Rockville
Discussion group who
came out against gay
marriage. He got a
rather ferocious
push-back from the
rest of the group.
Shortly thereafter
he ceased to find
our meetings to be
enjoyable. I
have had a number of
others assert that
we should focus
primarily on
the criticism of
religion because
that is what we know
we have in
common. This leaves
us with the
question, how do we
best nurture our
secular community if
we have an
understanding of our
shared values?
Don
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