You should post your final solution and/or blog about it. There are
really only a handful of problems that remain for Linux. I can get
most of my day job done on Linux. For many people Ubuntu is just
fine. I personally like fedora better but whatever.
-Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 29, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Kevin <[address removed]> wrote:
> Vmware was fine. Windows told me my key was fake or whatever. I had
> to call ms and talk to 3 different people (after the automated thing
> told me it was a pirate key and cut me off. Its an OEM copy I bought
> a few years ago, specifically to install on a machine I built myself).
>
> However, I just installed virtualbox because netflix froze in vmware,
> and I read somewhere that virtualbox is smoother with that stuff.
>
> Just finished Media player 11 install.
>
> The only thing I dislike about linux is the red-headed-stepchild
> status by software/hardware companies. If netflix worked on linux, I
> wouldn't be doing this. its taken hours of my time today.
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Michael Mellinger
> <[address removed]> wrote:
>> What was the problem with vmware on Linux? I run vmware
>> workstation 6.5 on
>> fc10 and I give my key at install and it just works. Getting
>> wmware to run
>> can require a few steps
>>
>> -Mike
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Kevin <[address removed]> wrote:
>>
>>> I think its a good reason to not buy Windows. I use linux myself.
>>> I've spent a few hours today wresting with windows on vmware only
>>> because netflix doesn't run on linux. Otherwise, I'd have zero
>>> windows boxes (actually spent about 45 minutes on the phone with
>>> tech
>>> support because my license key wouldn't work when I was installing
>>> on
>>> the vm).
>>>
>>> However, your response is a little dismissive. You asked for one.
>>> There you go. So what if its a trojan horse? That's arguably the
>>> bulk of what's out there for other systems.
>>>
>>> The point is mac is growing up and will now have to worry about
>>> these
>>> things, yes? People have been writing viruses for windows for a lot
>>> longer, so you'll find more of them. You'd agree that most of the
>>> "100,000+" virus instances are variations on a few themes? You
>>> would
>>> have to agree with that, of course.
>>>
>>> Also, read this...
>>>
>>> https://en.wikiped...
>>>
>>> "In terms of scope, there are two major variants: the list of
>>> "in-the-wild" viruses, which list viruses in active circulation, and
>>> lists of all known viruses, which also contain viruses believed
>>> not be
>>> in active circulation (also called "zoo viruses"). The sizes are
>>> vastly different, in-the-wild lists contain a few hundred viruses
>>> but
>>> full lists contain tens of thousands."
>>>
>>> So, yeah. A few hundred to at least 1 mac virus. The numbers are
>>> quite different. I would spend more time finding more than one mac
>>> virus, but I have to do other stuff. I think the point here is
>>> mac is
>>> far from bulletproof. However, knowing human nature, people will
>>> dismiss it, then there will be like 3-5 big virus waves, and
>>> suddenly
>>> all the mac people will be shelling out for AV software.
>>>
>>> Or maybe not. Cross your fingers.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Michael Mellinger
>>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yep. Trojan horse attack. Can always trick anyone on any system.
>>>> 99,999
>>>> more to go? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Would it make easier for you if we assumed that mac and windows
>>>> had an
>>>> equal
>>>> number of security holes? Now statistically speaking are you
>>>> still just
>>>> as
>>>> secure in windows? No! You have got 100x the exploits.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I don't think it's a big reason to not buy Windows.
>>>> Get some
>>>> anti-virus, don't run as admin, use a non-ie browser (or ie8?)
>>>> and make
>>>> regular backups.
>>>>
>>>> -Mike
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 29, 2009, at 11:11 AM, Kevin <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.powerp...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Michael Mellinger
>>>>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok. Can you provide some numbers on the quantity of mac and pc
>>>>>> viruses?
>>>>>> There are 100,000+ viruses for Windows. We are simply trying to
>>>>>> establish
>>>>>> whether the statement is true or false.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The one case we all seem to agree on is that most viruses are
>>>>>> written
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> exploit flaws in Windows. This is not an opinion, it's a fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now you can argue potential all you want, but that's not going to
>>>>>> change
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> current reality. Someday I will see a mac virus, but to date
>>>>>> not a
>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Mike
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:44 AM, Kevin <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No offense, but that's a really bad argument. We're here to
>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>> about tech, right? I find it really interesting that the mac
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> hacked that easily, so its a good discussion. The mac is
>>>>>>> clearly not
>>>>>>> that much more secure, right? Or is it? State the case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What does "more secure" mean? How much more? Would the
>>>>>>> answer be "a
>>>>>>> lot" or "barely". Its not really a true/false situation
>>>>>>> because its a
>>>>>>> matter of opinion, and depends on several variables. The
>>>>>>> average mac
>>>>>>> user is probably a little more web-aware than the average PC
>>>>>>> user (I
>>>>>>> use my parents as the average PC user). The mac being more
>>>>>>> secure in
>>>>>>> that case has nothing to do with the platform itself. Also,
>>>>>>> the days
>>>>>>> when the mac was a smaller target are pretty much over going
>>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>> In no small part because of the advertising of its safety.
>>>>>>> Nothing
>>>>>>> gets people to step up like a challenge (by "people" I mean a-
>>>>>>> holes,
>>>>>>> lonely teens, and criminals). Also, you know, the extremely
>>>>>>> fast
>>>>>>> increase in consumer market share.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Michael Mellinger
>>>>>>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Victor would disagree with you on security through obscurity.
>>>>>>>> At any rate, we aren't really debating that.
>>>>>>>> Is this statement true or false? The Mac is more secure than
>>>>>>>> the PC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You aren't being asked to provide any other thoughts or
>>>>>>>> opinions. We
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> argue for quite a while on reasons. However, victor, for
>>>>>>>> example,
>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>> ends up something like "the mac is only more secure because
>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>> popular. This translates to "it is more secure." Now since
>>>>>>>> we all
>>>>>>>> agree
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> this point, I see no reason to argue further. Apple can make
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> they are more secure.
>>>>>>>> -Mike
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> On Mar 29, 2009, at 6:36 AM, Andrew <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Security through obscurity is never truly secure, it just
>>>>>>>> engenders a
>>>>>>>> false
>>>>>>>> sense of security.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:22 AM, Michael Mellinger
>>>>>>>> <[address removed]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So can we agree that Macs are more secure because they are
>>>>>>>>> less of a
>>>>>>>>> target?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> People don't have to worry about 100,000+ viruses that PCs
>>>>>>>>> users
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> to worry about. The bottom line is that you are safer
>>>>>>>>> running Mac
>>>>>>>>> OS.
>>>>>>>>> We can debate the reasons but the final answer is the same.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ">> > I don't watch TV, but I am curious; is Apple still
>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>> commercials
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>> Macs are portrayed as being more secure than PCs?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Mike
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Victor Shamanovsky
>>>>>>>>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nice try, try reading what you post, before you post it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In an interview with Tom���s Hardware, Miller stated
>>>>>>>>>> , ���I���d say that
>>>>>>>>>> Macs
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> less secure for the reasons we���ve discussed here (lack of
>>>>>>>>>> anti-exploitation
>>>>>>>>>> technologies) but are more safe because there simp
>>>>>>>>>> ly isn���t much
>>>>>>>>>> malware
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> there. For now, I���d still recommend Macs for typic
>>>>>>>>>> al users as the
>>>>>>>>>> odds
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> something targeting them are so low that they might go years
>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>> seeing
>>>>>>>>>> any malware, even though if an attacker cared to target
>>>>>>>>>> them it
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> easier for them.���
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Michael Mellinger
>>>>>>>>>> <[address removed]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just a quick follow up to Victor's post. Just in case
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>> takes
>>>>>>>>>>> him a credible source of information. The guy who won the
>>>>>>>>>>> contest
>>>>>>>>>>> that Victor was gloating about has stated several times
>>>>>>>>>>> that Macs
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> safer than Windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.roughl...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Victor Shamanovsky
>>>>>>>>>>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't watch TV, but I am curious; is Apple still running
>>>>>>>>>>>> commercials
>>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>> Macs are portrayed as being more secure than PCs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Mark Coates
>>>>>>>>>>>> <[address removed]>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what you call 'Accessibility.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Coates
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lead Software Engineer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZepInvest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [P]: (580)[masked]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [F]: (708)[masked]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [E]: [address removed]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.zepinv...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Victor Shamanovsky
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[address removed]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.comput...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Charlie Miller, the security researcher who hacked a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last year at CanSecWest's PWN2OWN contest, improved his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaking into another Mac in under 10 seconds."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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