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Re: [nycpython] Gilt Groupe "Exotic Programming Languages and the Web" Event

From: Steve H.
Sent on: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:58 AM
On Oct 14, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Wes Chow wrote:

hey guys, let's not get to so worked up over this.

1. An unwanted post is followed up by Gloria's "that's against our policy" email. In other words, you've received not just one, but two pieces of useless email. (in some cases more if the original poster pushes back)

2. There is no way of filtering out unwanted posts before they hit the mailing list without a moderation system. I do not know what sorts of moderation features Meetup provides, but we probably want to take up the least amount of Gloria's time as possible. (is there something that requires an extra confirmation for the first time a user posts to the list, in which case we send along the policy then?)

The point is, some people will want non-Python content, some want only Python content, hell some even want recruiter email. *But it doesn't matter because the violators aren't even reading the existing policy in the first place!* I'd bet a beer that any change we make to the existing policy will not substantially affect the amount of unwanted email in our inboxes.



We might implement this (sorry about the unnecessary email, see how this works, folks? say goodbye to another three seconds of your time even to delete this; and yet I fear some of you are already mousing toward the "reply" button) if a few of you could volunteer as moderators. You can then start ancillary mailing lists (outside MeetUp - e.g. Google Groups) for all the non-Python content that anyone professes the slightest interest in, and moderate anything non-Python related off this list after first forwarding it to the appropriate special-interest groups.

I predict the number of volunteers will be slightly less than one. Maybe we can find some half-wit to do it. Though personally I would never talk like that about my ops staff. If I had an ops staff.

So stop anway, let's all stop bitching, or there will be *another* storm of complaint from people who don't like my tone. Or yours. Or the fact the the day has a "d" in it. Or they just feel like sounding off, and on the Internet you can read everything you have written just like it was Real Important Stuff(tm).

Oh, and just in case it's necessary (since I am known, from time to time, to be a crabbit bastard[1]) ...


[... remaining .sig omitted. Not sure why or whose mail client included it. Though I suspect mine. Another reason to migrate back to Mozilla mail software.]

By the way, if there actually ARE a number of readers who would like to handle traffic as suggested above or in any other arbitrary way, you WOULD be doing the community a valuable service. Indeed, read on to see why you could maybe help anyway.

One further point. People ask me about "community diversity" and what it can mean. Here's a great example. There are people who might *want* to learn how to perform such moderation and practice their new-found skills. If we let them into our community and interact with them, they get to know us as individuals, and know our interests, and forward us mostly only stuff that we will find useful. And because they are human it's fairly easy to help them learn what's useful and what's not, and we don't have to learn yet another language to describe our likes and dislikes. And we expand our range of social contacts, and broaden our understanding of the way the world works and what that means for a broader range of people.

This would be one way to diversify the community. 

But for now /our/ community (by which I mean us, the NYCPython list members, and I do include myself here: categories 1, 2 and 4 all apply) appears to be populated by people most of whom are limited by one or more of the following criteria (there may be others, I don't have time to make the list exhaustive):

   . Their time is so valuable they use it to earn money
   . They are already fully committed to other activities
   . They don't give a shit
   . They have a life

There are a few rare individuals like me who are happy to give along generally karmic lines in the confident expectation of a happy old age, but apparently few manage to escape at least one of the above categories. Well, one of the first three, really. It's a little-known fact that /having a life need not stop you participating/. And vice versa.

Have a nice day.


Steve Holden
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