
What we’re about
The objective of this group is Ultimate consciousness, Cosmic consciousness or Satori. This is a friendly confrontation group that uses the tool of self-inquiry. Instead of blind faith, we use a common sense method to bring about this consciousness more rapidly and safely than systems of which we know very little. This system outlines a path, the mechanics of which are outlined in the Albigen Papers. You can access more information about this system here: Albigen System. Here is a link to the book on richardroseteachings.com: https://tinyurl.com/22bom4np. This system is similar to ancient systems of Zen in that it attacks inconsistent states of mind, and works to remove them.
We use the tool of self-inquiry to retreat from errors in our thinking, through the critical examination of our beliefs and thinking processes. This process should and will prove itself along the way in proportion to the seeker's honesty, persistence, and commitment. A meeting will be advertised at least 4 to 5 days in advance, where there will be some stimulating material presented in the topic heading and meeting information to think about. If you don't read the material or watch the YouTube clip provided it is not worth your while turning up for the meeting. If there is too much material provided, just focus on the main material presented for the upcoming meeting. I may add related links but these can be seen as optional.
Generally, on the night each participant is given a block of time of around 10 minutes (dependent upon the number of participants on the night) to share thoughts on the topic after which he/she will be quizzed by those present on their opinions for the following 10 minutes. This helps seekers to itemise areas in their perspective that may feel false or not fully understood and provides questions for the seeker to reflect on when the meeting is over. A pen and paper at the ready may be beneficial to record anything that resonates during the meetings to reflect on later.
In the words of Richard Rose:
"Our purpose . . . is to find the Truth, meaning self definition, and the true relation of man to his fellow men and the true understanding of our life's events.
The "System" is one that searches esoterically. Some other systems are objective, additive, mechanistic and evolutionary. This system is SUBJECTIVE, IMMANENT, and DESIGNED FOR IMMEDIATELY CHANGING AND BECOMING.
THIS IS NOT A SYSTEM OF FAITH.
THIS IS NOT A SYSTEM THAT IS UTILITARIAN, PROMISING WEALTH OR HEALTH.
THIS IS NOT A SOCIALLY OR POLITICALLY ORIENTED GROUP.
THIS IS NOT A SYSTEM WHICH WOULD PRETEND TO BRING ABOUT A STATE OF BEING BY PHYSICAL OR MECHANICAL MEANS OR EVEN BY MENTAL VISUALIZATION.
THIS SYSTEMS DOES NOT ATTEMPT TO PROVE ITSELF BY THE VANITY OF LOGIC, BUT IS DEDUCTIVE AND ANSWERS TO COMMON SENSE AND THE INTUITION.
THIS IS A SYSTEM THAT FINDS TRUTH BY RETREATING FROM UNTRUTH.
THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL VENTURE OR A MONEY ORIENTED CULT. It is meticulously non-profit.
THIS SYSTEM AIMS AT SELF DEFINITION AND CONSIDERS ALL KNOWLEDGE INCOMPLETE UNTIL THE "KNOWER" OR EXPERIENCER IS IDENTIFIED".
Some main guidelines are:
No freemasons are allowed to join this group.
Own what you say. Use "I" statements rather than "you", "one" or "we". Depersonalizing avoids ownership of feelings, experiences, opinions, and issues, making change an uphill battle. By using the word “we”, it seeks validation and acceptance of others. “My” puts your truth before your need to fit in.
Be honest with yourself and others.
No one is obligated to share or do anything.
Ask questions with a sincere desire to understand how the other person thinks.
Do not give advice.
Some participants ask if it is ok to leave their camera off during a meeting and that is perfectly fine, but it is preferable if regular members leave their screen on.
Do not try to convince anyone of anything or play God by preaching.
When asking questions do not make it about you, the questioner.
Loaded questions are not helpful, “ad hominems”, where you imply in the question some opinion about the character of the person being questioned. The monitor will bring these types of questions into the open during the meeting to highlight a style of questioning not tolerated.
The general principle being outlined here is that if participants go against the set out rules, without genuine efforts to change their approach to the meeting accordingly, they will be given three chances before being dropped by the monitor from the meeting. It is then up to the monitor if the person is allowed back for future meetings, which will only happen if an amicable agreement has been reached to comply with the rules for future meetings.
Recommended books to read (also please give ratings for these books as the more ratings a book gets, it will appear more often in the searches):
Tat Foundation books: Books -
I Am That by Nisargadatta Maharaj: https://tinyurl.com/2axebovl
The Collected Works of Ramana Maharshi: https://tinyurl.com/23wl49wa
"There is no greater religion than human friendship" - Richard Rose
[Thanks to Whitecream.com's image generator for the cover picture]
Upcoming events
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•OnlineIs "Nostalgia" the language of the soul? (Self-inquiry/Philosophy)
OnlineTonight's meeting is on the topic of "nostalgia". Richard Rose claimed that nostalgia is the language of the soul. Was he right? What is nostalgia?
Nostalgia definition: "a sad pleasure experienced in recalling what no longer exists : a wistful or sentimental yearning for a return to or the return of some real or romanticized past period or some irrecoverable past condition or setting" (Taken from Merriam Webster dictionary).
A quote from Richard Rose: "The most painful thing on earth is a pleasant memory. This nostalgia that sometimes comes over us isn’t an accident. It’s a message. It has something to tell us. We’re programmed to indulge in life, but this haunting nostalgia is a subliminal message from another plane. It’s the homing instinct of the mundane mind. At its best, it’s what draws us back to the Father. Nostalgia is a window to the soul, and the soul is lost to man as he lives. Nostalgia is the soul’s memory of prior experience. Touching it, you touch the Eternal"
The above quote from Rose taken from here: Forum -
Quote from Art Ticknor: "To me nostalgia is the vibrational song of the "elan vital" animating this physical-mental manifestation, whose lyrics are "you who are weary come home"".
Elan vital definition: the vital force or impulse of life (Merriam webster)
Here is an interesting way of conveying nostalgia by a zen teacher Bob Ferguson via photography: Nostalgiawest | Spiritual Photography, Images of Essence
Here are some questions that come to mind:
How have you come to experience nostalgia in your life? What is it like for you? Do you stay with the feeling or have a knee jerk reaction to avoid your mind going there?
Does nostalgia connect us with our soul?
In what other ways does the soul try to connect with us in our daily lives? Are we too busy, preoccupied with our lives to notice it?
What is the value of opening up to nostalgia?
What questions do you have?
Please join on the night to share your feelings and impressions on this very intriguing aspect of our experience. Looking forward to seeing you there.
Meeting Link: https://us05web.zoom.us/j/83611960869?pwd=32xebSci1RLyLrJfxb6pz4TYGbTs37.1
Meeting ID: 836 1196 0869
Passcode: 009015
Photo by pexels.com.
Check out the "What we are about" section in the groups' main page for some guidelines we work to adhere to. Meetings are run on the popular Zoom platform. Please contemplate the topic in advance of the meeting to get the best out of it and bring your views and convictions to the meeting, if possible have a pen and paper close by to record anything useful that may come up that you resonate with on the night, little things you may want to contemplate further.5 attendees
•OnlinePope Francis: "There is no humility without humiliation" True or False?
OnlineTonight's meeting is trying to get down and deep with the topic of "humility". Was Pope Francis correct? Here are some links to provoke some thought on this topic.
Here is the link to the Pope Francis' document on the topic: There is no humility without humiliation (1st February 2016)
Auggie Turak is a great guy when it comes to humility and here is a quote of his, "Humility is bought and paid for with humiliation, no other way" (paraphrase). Here is a video of his, do try out his channel, it's quite provocative: https://youtu.be/ua-pzVNQOfU?si=GNGwGp2gnAxu4WQX
Friedrich Nietzsche quote (paraphrase from Auggie's YouTube presentation): "The true spiritual life begins in the hour of one's own great self-contempt".
Mr. Rose (paraphrase from Auggie's YouTube presentation): "You've got to get sick and tired of your own bullshit".
Frank Lloyd Wright's quote: "Early in life I had to choose between honest arrogance and hypocritical humility. I chose the former and have seen no reason to change".
Here are some generic questions around this topic that may help to provoke deeper thinking:
- Auggie believes that humility only comes through experience, by "putting ourselves in play" and exposing our egos. How do we create the propitious circumstances to expose our egos?
- Why does ego seem to be inversely proportional to humility? What is the ego afraid of?
- How do we witness in ourselves the chasm between our tendency to project fake cooked up humility and our own exact level of empirically achieved humility?
- Is humility the bedrock of real human intelligence/wisdom?
- What questions, musings do you have on this topic?
Please join this meeting and share your questions and experiences of this topic, you will be gratefully received.
Meeting Link: https://us05web.zoom.us/j/83611960869?pwd=32xebSci1RLyLrJfxb6pz4TYGbTs37.1
Meeting ID: 836 1196 0869
Passcode: 009015
Check out the "What we are about" section in the groups' main page for some guidelines we work to adhere to. Meetings are run on the popular Zoom platform. Please contemplate the topic in advance of the meeting to get the best out of it and bring your views and convictions to the meeting, if possible have a pen and paper close by to record anything useful that may come up that you resonate with on the night, little things you may want to contemplate further.2 attendees
•OnlinePart 1; Do you have songs you listen to for spiritual reasons? (Self-inquiry)
OnlineTonight we'll kick off the new year with music. Tonight we'll explore how songs can reach something in us. Songs have the knack of being confrontative, being poignant, a vehicle to carry some truth that otherwise would remain hidden to us. I'm speaking from my own experience but of course I imagine it relates to everyone. Here are some songs to get the ball rolling that I find hit something in me that may also ignite or trigger something in you:
Streets of Philadelphia: Bruce Springsteen - Streets of Philadelphia (Official Video)
Favourite lyric from this song: "Ain't no angel going to greet me, it's just you and I my friend, and my clothes don't fit me no more, I'd walk a thousand miles just to slip this skin..."
Change: Tracy Chapman - Change (Official Music Video)
Favorite lyric: "if you knew that you could find a truth, that brings a pain that can't be soothed, would you change?"
Fire and Rain: James Taylor - Fire And Rain (BBC In Concert, 11/16/1970) - YouTube
Desperado: Desperado - Eagles
Favorite lyric: "Your prison is walking through this world all alone".
Comfortably Numb: Pink Floyd - Comfortably numb
Favorite lyric: "I turned around and it was gone, I cannot put my finger on it now, the child is grown, the dream is gone, I have become comfortably numb..."
Speed of the sound of loneliness: John Prine - "Speed of the Sound of Loneliness" (Live)
Favourite lyric: "you're out there running just to be on the run"
O Holy Night: Johnny Mathis - O Holy Night (from Home for Christmas)
Favourite lyric: "Until He appeared, And the soul felt its worth"
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What are the songs that strike you spiritually? Please join us on the night to share, I'd love the opportunity to listen to some new songs I'm not aware of that can tug at some heartstring or do something to turn my head upside down.
Meeting Link: https://us05web.zoom.us/j/83611960869?pwd=32xebSci1RLyLrJfxb6pz4TYGbTs37.1
Meeting ID: 836 1196 0869
Passcode: 009015
Photo by Allan Mas: https://www.pexels.com/photo/young-asian-man-with-smartphone-and-skateboard-5370367/
Check out the "What we are about" section in the groups' main page for some guidelines we work to adhere to. Meetings are run on the popular Zoom platform. Please contemplate the topic in advance of the meeting to get the best out of it and bring your views and convictions to the meeting, if possible have a pen and paper close by to record anything useful that may come up that you resonate with on the night, little things you may want to contemplate further.4 attendees
•OnlineHow can one go about developing a "Pure Heart"? (Self-inquiry/Philosophy)
OnlineTonight's meeting is on the topic of the possibility of developing a pure heart. Tonight's meeting is inspired by the reader commentary section from the Tat forum page this December: Forum - .
The quote is from Anima Pundeer: "If I had one wish granted, I would wish for anyone who seeks Truth with a pure heart to find it".
The emphasis of Anima's wish here rests upon the requirement of having a "pure heart" when in the pursuit of Truth. But what is a pure heart? The image that I conjure up when trying to perceive a pure heart, coming from a Catholic background, is that of the sacred heart of Jesus and Mary. I sense a certain kind of fealty and reverence to that ideal of purity. Why do images of Mary's heart show swords and daggers piercing it? Is pain/suffering a necessary ingredient of a pure heart? Is how we deal with pain the difference between why one person develops a truer heart than someone who can't manage pain healthily? Why was Mary meritorious of her pure heart? These may sound like ignorant questions, but I'm trying to get at the quality of her suffering, her capacity for suffering, toleration of pain, without driving her into fear, hatred and despair like the vast majority of human kind, myself included? How can we suffer more like Mary?
Richard Rose claimed that "transmission" comes from the deepest rooted mind, transmission to me meaning a kind of power that can project from someone's mind that is on a spectrum of greater and lesser empirically developed knowledge. In the writings on Zen I have read about the transmission that occurs between the master and the student. Does love transmit from the deepest rooted heart? Does love transmit from the deepest rooted mind also or is mind more sterile of feeling and more related to clear "seeing" of a more mental nature? How do you view transmission, have you encountered this phenomenon before, what is it?
Does a pure heart develop in tandem with acquiring a pure mind? Are they interdependent components of the same path or are they two separate aspects, not really connected? What is your impression?
As always be great to hear what ideas you have and what questions you have on this very central topic of what a true spiritual path is all about. Join this meeting as we try to delve deeper and open up new avenues of thought and practice that we can try to incorporate into our everyday lives to see if this can trigger progress in our spiritual paths. Looking forward to seeing you there.
Thanks to Wiki Commons for the event image.
Check out the "What we are about" section in the groups' main page for some guidelines we work to adhere to. Meetings are run on the popular Zoom platform. Please contemplate the topic in advance of the meeting to get the best out of it and bring your views and convictions to the meeting, if possible have a pen and paper close by to record anything useful that may come up that you resonate with on the night, little things you may want to contemplate further.3 attendees
Past events
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